Hello nurses!

You have enemies? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life. ~Winston Churchill

I felt the nurses who are not supporting this strike in MN need a place to chat and ask questions they may have in the days ahead.  I hope this helps!

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281 responses to this post.

  1. Posted by CriticalThinkingNurseSupporter on June 19, 2010 at 7:35 pm

    Bravo! It’s time for the best of the best nurses that are using their heads to band together, take the lead and get to the real issues here and find some solutions.

    • Posted by nurseon alert on June 20, 2010 at 3:35 pm

      Thank you this is no needed, many of us are out here feeling this way….NO STRIKE.
      ……..unable to speak up for fear of retaliation from the PRO STRIKE members…..
      we are bullied into this strike vote and cannot speak our minds …this blog is great

    • Posted by wildfox on June 21, 2010 at 10:46 am


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      KSTP 5 – 612-588-6397

      WCCO 4 – (612) 339-4444

  2. Please do not post your name unless you want it to show up here. Want to pass on some pension information. In talking with MNA and our hospital HR your membership in MNA….not being a full dues paying member should you resign and cross the picket line…. has no effect on your pension. Any other helpful information is appreciated!

    • Posted by OBnursesOTHERdaughter on June 22, 2010 at 9:44 am

      I went to post, and didn’t mean to post under the name “OBnursesdaughter”. That poster is my sister, with a different view, posting from the same computer. The screen name and email popped up automatically and I forgot to change the name before posting. Sorry for the confusion!

    • Posted by Anonymous on June 23, 2010 at 11:50 am

      What does that mean? I would like to benifit from freedom of paying union dues and having them watch over every move. Iwould like the option to choose weather I work over my number of contract hours, and not have my employer be punished if this is my choice. Have you ever been told you cant stay because it would be over time, when you might just be happy to work for straight time. The union maybe had a place in the 30’s and 40’s. What are there salarys? At least teamsters pays its members when on strike, vote MNA out!!! ask nurses who work for non union hospitals if they are happy. I think the answer is yes.

      • Posted by drichmn on June 23, 2010 at 11:55 am

        Please watch the language you use. Consider this a warning for future comments you may make. The rest of your post is fine, I am going to edit out the name calling.

  3. Posted by integritynurse on June 19, 2010 at 7:50 pm

    Thanks so much for this forum – a place where we can safely express opinions without the fear of retaliation from the union supporters.

  4. Posted by drichmn on June 19, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    just some food for thought about the ULP’s that it seems nurses are relying on to save them from a lock out in an open ended strike.

    NRLB opinions for the last 5 years have been thrown out for not having an adequate number of people on the board and Republicans are stopping confirmation of Obama’s appointees to the Board. It’s highly unlikely the NRLB will get to any of the ULP’s before an open ended strike is over.

    The offer from the hospitals, which MNA has turned down, was to put off the strike until a date certain and they wouldn’t lock you out. The hospitals were sending a very clear message to you that you will be subject to lock out.

    So, the hospitals lock you out, MNA files a ULP, and–you’re still locked out because NLRB is being prevented from acting. How many years would it take for the NRLB to ever get around to the MNA ULP’s? And in the meantime, you’re still locked out.

    • Posted by integritynurse on June 19, 2010 at 8:24 pm

      Exactly, it is a vicious cycle with no end in sight. Let’s stop the madness and vote no to strike!

    • Posted by kim on June 20, 2010 at 2:39 am

      anurse !!!! You did it! good for you. The info posted about NLRB is correct. If you strike you risk losing your jobs.

  5. I want to stress the importance to everyone to read the proposals!! Nurses are arguing over things that are not even on the table…or what they have heard from other hospital proposals! Please read the proposals for your hospital!

  6. Posted by OBnursesdaughter on June 19, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    Glad you got a site up! I’ve been following this story for what seems like months as my Mom is an MNA nurse who will more than likely vote to strike. Every time a contract comes up she says they might strike- I think she’s been waiting for years for this! She only reads the MNA info and all of a sudden her hospital is the worst place onthe planet (it was always a great place until about 4 weeks ago, hmmm). She buys the whole thing, hook, line and sinker and it’s totally distressing knowing that she can’t afford to strike and may come out the other end without a job at all. She’s got horror stories from nurses who struck in ’84 and although she says she understands why someone would cross the lines she would never do it- she doesn’t want to get harrassed for the rest of her career. I was raised in a union family- Mom’s a nurse and Dad’s in manufacturing (now management so not sure if he is still considered union). I work in a non-union environment so any opinion I have gets tossed out the window and I get called jealous (yes, because I have my working conditions, benefits and wages based on my merit and a great employer, not to mention the ability to speak for myself anytime I please…) but that’s besides the point. Keep up the good work. I appreciate your posts as they give me hope that *maybe* just maybe cooler heads will prevail in this situation.

  7. Again, I have to say that I am not arguing the issues here with anyone. I am simply stating that I am supporting the patients in that I don’t feel that nurses should ever be allowed to strike.

  8. Posted by Food4RNthought on June 19, 2010 at 11:30 pm

    Thanks for creating this discussion forum! Those who wish to spend energy on brainstorming ideas about negotiations that negate strikes are sure to find a source of support and productive dialogue on this blog. I respect the 100 years of fight that RNs have contributed to the MNA to earn us our current contracts. However, I am not convinced that strikes are the answer to bargaining in patient care professions. I am eager to engage in discussion with others in this venue to imagine some alternatives to strikes that better serve our patients, our hospitals, and our profession.

  9. Posted by kim on June 20, 2010 at 2:45 am

    I wish there was a way to change the minds of some of the nurses. MNA must have the numbers they need to get a strike vote or they wouldn’t have scheduled the vote. So many nurses are scared and believe the MNA rhetoric. All we can do is try to talk to them one at a time and try to change their minds. I have so many friends who are nurses and I do not want to see them loose everything they have worked so hard for.

    • Posted by drichmn on June 20, 2010 at 4:58 pm

      they should be scared about the hype MNA is feeding them about the ULP’s. And they should always verify what they are being told. If MNA is not making the source documents available to them but is only sending them what they want the nurses to know they should seek out the documents themselves on the TCH website. http://www.twincitieshospitals.com/2010/05/contract-proposals-submitted-to-mna/.

      And they should read this report from MDH: Adverse Health Events Factsheet: Staffing and Patient Safety. http://www.health.state.mn.us/patientsafety/ae/staffingpatientsafety.html. MNA was part of this fall 2009 group that found that “staffing-related issues emerge relatively rarely as contributing factors or root causes for reportable adverse health events, and that these events are much more often related to flawed processes or protocols than to an insufficient number of nurses or other staff on duty at the time of the event.”. Positions represented on this group included front-line nursing staff to quality/patient safety officers to nursing managers.

      MNA is not giving nurses the complete picture. It’s you who will bear the bunt of the fallout from a strike. It won’t be MNA, NNU, or John Nemo.

      • Thanks for posting these links…sorry I did not realize I needed to approve since you attached links so took me a while….this blog thing is new to me….as of today actually!

      • Posted by wildfox on June 20, 2010 at 6:01 pm

        Thanks for posting this useful info. Nurses need to verify everything MNA gives them. IMPORTANT keep all documents you are given by MNA you may need them in the future.

      • Posted by anobserver on June 22, 2010 at 3:40 pm

        The MNA decided to drop out of the 2009 group after it became clear that the information didn’t support mandatory ratios and what the CA Nurses Association was trying to accomplish by helping to form the National Nurses United.

  10. I am not so sure they have the strike vote….even so…..I think they decided to do a strike or no strike vote in case they don’t get enough votes. If they simply did a strike or accept the contract it would be over for them if they didn’t get the strike vote…now they are still playing the game either way.

  11. Posted by Angie on June 20, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    anurse!! Good to see you here! I too am totally disheartened by all this. I work on a unit where a lot are very pro-union, makes this forum so helpful. I have seen some very good friends turn into someone I hardly know over the past 4-6 weeks. Anyone else experiencing this?? I don’t believe we should strike. I just can’t imagine how relationships can be repaired when this is over.

    • Posted by wildfox on June 20, 2010 at 5:06 pm

      Angie, That exact thing is happening everywhere, people you have known for years acting crazy, saying things that you never thought would come out of their mouths. I have called some people on their inappropriate behavior and they appeared to be sorry. If there is a strike relationships will be damaged for all.

      • Posted by acsofs on June 20, 2010 at 8:32 pm

        “That exact thing is happening everywhere, people you have known for years acting crazy, saying things that you never thought would come out of their mouths.”

        Ditto here! Some wonderful, caring people while they’re working or chatting about our typical life events, but then when the contract comes up – oh my! It’s hard to wrap my head around it really.

        BTW job well done anurse – so glad you started this helpful blog.

  12. Posted by wildfox on June 20, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    Excellent job ! Great website! Maybe we can change this thing around! VOTE NO STRIKE!

  13. I too have seen such a change in nurses I work with…it truely is a mob mentality and it is scarey! I am hoping this blog gives us some support and information in the coming days!…Wildfox…always appreciate your info and help!!

  14. Wildfox….I did have it set to pre-authorize but changed it but will change it back if need to…thanks for the suggestion. We can post links to info if there is a strike vote on Monday for nurses who need/want to resign membership from MNA…I still pray it does not come to that!

  15. Posted by wildfox on June 20, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    I hope there is a NO strike vote Monday but if not we have at least 10 days to plan. I was thinking if we could get an TRO from a judge to temporarily stop the strike. I will ask my friends who are attorneys how or if this would work. What do you think about that? If y0u do not want to look into it that is fine too.

  16. Posted by drichmn on June 20, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    TRO= temporary restraining order. I wonder if the hospital attorney’s are looking into that.

    If the nurses are being intimidated they too should file ULP’s against MNA. unfair labor practices are unacceptable whether an employer or a union does it.

    • I do keep reminding nurses to report intimidation to their manager…and remind co-workers that intimidation will not be tolerated….they can lose their job for that!

  17. I don’t know if anyone will step in…I emailed the Gov and Pres after the last vote..didn’t hear from either one of them.

    • Posted by drichmn on June 21, 2010 at 3:48 am

      I believe the hospitals would have to request that the Governor step in since they are who the action is aimed at. And you know, since the Governor is a Republican, is seeking to burnish his credibility for a presidential run, and Repubicans are notoriously anti-union, I wouldn’t put it past him to step in.

  18. Posted by geckojay on June 20, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    I would like to ask a question if you would allow……are you prepared to accept the hospitals concessions as outlined in the proposals, or do you propose some other way of forcing negotiations other than a strike? I would love to hear ideas of how you think you can get what you deem as fair without striking.

    • I am prepared as are many of my co-workers to accept the hospitals proposals….if you read Children’s proposls I do not find them such a sacrifice. I have said before I have enjoyed many good years and raises and benefits for many years.

    • Posted by wildfox on June 20, 2010 at 5:32 pm

      Simple … NEGOTIATE! MNA needs to take hospitals proposals that they find unacceptable and change the wording to make them agreeable to all. This should have been done long ago!

      • Posted by geckojay on June 21, 2010 at 7:19 pm

        So, the hospitals have no responsibilities in this, its all on the MNA? Nostrikefornurses the cutbacks in pension and health insurance doesn’t bother you?

  19. Posted by harrassedforbeingvocal on June 20, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    I’ve been begging and even demanding info from MNA for weeks. The info I get is always varied depending on the source, and usually old. In today’s environment of instant information, MNA has no excuse for not publishing the proposals at minimum the next day after the sessions. But no it took over 6 weeks and a strike to get anything posted.
    It wasn’t until several of us starting getting vocal (calling MNA, using social media to protest what was being shoved down our throats) before MNA finally got around to posting both versions of the proposals. And still the hospitals version was tweaked to cause a negative gut reaction by using hostile words like “force the nurse to …” Do you really think the hospitals would be stupid enough to use such language??
    I am not thrilled with the hospitals proposals, but I am disgusted with the way MNA has treated us. Just because I spoke up and starting asking questions – I received hate mail. So did another co-worker of mine. My FB statuses and my collegue’s private letter to her MNA rep were printed and circulated among nurses that I have never met. We both received very hostile emails in reply. I was personally called out by name on MNA’s FB site. My husband has asked me to limit what I say now because he is truly afraid for my safety. How very very sad.
    So thank you for starting a place where we can brainstorm. In my heart I kinda feel that this may be a lost cause. But am very heartened to see that there are quite a few others that do think like me.

    • Posted by wildfox on June 20, 2010 at 5:29 pm

      Dear Harassed, The things you are experiencing is unlawful. Keep all documentation if things get worse you can file a case against persons who are harassing you and MNA. You can also file ULP against MNA. Sorry you are going through this, I have heard worker being threatened at my hospital too.

    • Do report what is happening to you to your manager and/or human resource department. JCAHO is looking at intimidation in the workplace so the hospitals need to be careful on this one. I know it is tough to go against the crowd….but we also need to do what is right. You are not alone…just in the minority.

    • Posted by listenup123 on June 20, 2010 at 5:43 pm

      @harrassedforbeingvocal Hang in there! AND…….report everything that happens to your manager and HR. There are respectful workplace policies that are being enforced. There are many managers who are starting report with, “Remember we have a respectful workplace policy, and it will be enforced!” I firmly believe that what goes around comes around and those who are acting badly will get theirs. 🙂

    • Posted by drichmn on June 21, 2010 at 3:54 am

      I would encourage you to read the actual proposal and amendments from your hospital that weren’t tweaked by MNA at the TCH website and then compare them to what you got. I’d like to hear your impression about how they stack up. http://www.twincitieshospitals.com/2010/05/contract-proposals-submitted-to-mna/

      I’m very sorry to hear about the intimidation. Stay strong. And be true to yourself.

  20. Posted by wildfox on June 20, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    drich is right ! YES! If nurses are being threatened or harassed by MNA or their reps they too can file ULP! I am quite sure the California Hospitals that got a TRO not to strike were public hospitals so I am not clear if it would make a difference for private facilities. I will at least find out.

  21. Posted by listenup123 on June 20, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    Finally a spot where reason will rule. I have never seen anything like this in my 25 years of nursing. Like many of you have said, I hardly know some of the nurses anymore. One of the nurses I spoke with said many of her friends might join Nurse Finders and cross the picket line at hospitals they don’t work at. They don’t think they would get caught, and then they wouldn’t lose money, and instead would be ahead because of the good pay. I would hope they would get caught if they pulled that kind of shenanigans. I can’t believe that so many are banking on the ULP strike. A very strange time in nursing indeed. I spoke with several physicians today and they are disgusted by the demands and the unprofessional behavior of the nurses.

    • That is interesting about the physicians because many nurses have said on facebook that the physicians are totally behind the nurses and the strike.

      • Posted by wildfox on June 20, 2010 at 5:39 pm

        The MD’s in my department are not saying a word. We are all friends and socialize together and they are staying out of this.

      • Posted by listenup123 on June 20, 2010 at 5:50 pm

        These were physicians that I ran into at a social outing. They know how I feel so they came to talk to me about the issues. They will be really mad if all this disrupts the care of their patients all summer long.

    • Posted by acsofs on June 20, 2010 at 8:48 pm

      Today I listened as our unit’s MNA rep (or whatever she is called) told everyone around her that the MD’s fully support the nurses reasons for striking, but they can’t say anything publicly because they would be fired from the hospital.

      • Posted by drichmn on June 21, 2010 at 4:02 am

        The majority of MD’s are not employed by the health system, there may be a few hospitalists but that’s a very very small minority of the physicians who have privileges at a facility. The physicians are the ones who bring in the patients and they are catered to because of it. They actually believe that physicians are such shrinking violets that they are afraid to speak up? They really aren’t thinking through what they say at all. But what’s equally disturbing is that the nurses accept it without question.

    • Posted by drichmn on June 21, 2010 at 3:57 am

      If they join Nurse Finder they will have to list their employer. You think Nurse Finder will place a striking nurse in another striking hospital? They aren’t stupid either.

  22. Posted by wildfox on June 20, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    I would not bank on the MNA’s ULP. I have told many of you this but will repeat for new people to this blog. Read supreme court case ruling Mackay vs NLRB, it explains the law regarding striking workers and ULP’s. This is a landmark labor decision that has been used for years and has not been challenged.

    • Thanks Wildfox….I looked that up when you originally posted it. I am wondering how a filing of an ULP for the last strike affects us on this strike….risky business to go out on strike!

  23. Posted by listenup123 on June 20, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    @harrassedforbeingvocal, Please document everything. This all needs to be reported to your manager and HR. Many managers are starting report with: “Remember we have a respectful workplace policy, and we will be reinforcing it!!! So, it is your right to work in a respectful place. I believe in what goes around comes around. Those who are harassing individuals will get theirs eventually!! Hang in there. This will eventually be over, but I have a feeling it is going to go on all summer. ARGH.

  24. Posted by wildfox on June 20, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    anurse … Do you mind if I give a nurse friend of mine your blog info? She is really scared and is afraid .

    • Absolutely…share with anyone who needs support right now. And we will always appreciate info as time goes on in case of a strike. By the way… I am scared too but decided I cannot sit back on this one.

  25. Oh my gosh. Thank you guys for setting this up. The tone and attitude on this blog is refreshing. I agree so many of my coworkers are acting like strangers. This weekend many were bragging about hiding equipment and supplies prior to the strike to make things difficult. Only a few of us on our unit are able to talk otherwise we feel isolated. The all nurse meeting is telling everyone that since this is a ULP strike they are protected. When I voice my concern that just because we filed a ULP strike doesnt mean it is a ULP strike I get told I am crazy. In my head I am thinking they are the crazy ones. I wish we could rewind to a few months ago when it was the minority who felt that we worked in unsafe condtions AND we were all nice to eachother.

    • You are not the only one…many of us wish we could go back. This striking is ruining many good relationships. And yes you have valid concerns about the ULP…just because they filed it does not make it true!

    • Posted by wildfox on June 20, 2010 at 6:07 pm

      The thought that professional nurses would actually hide equipment or supplies from our patients is truly disgusting. Another “We care for you ” moment. MNA’s ULP is NOT a sure thing, I called NLRB Minneapolis office on Wednesday and they said it was in the investigative stage, this can take weeks or months.

    • Posted by drichmn on June 21, 2010 at 4:04 am

      this is very disturbing. Hiding equipment and supplies? What about the patients!?! Please document this as well. Those action are unconscionable.

    • Posted by drichmn on June 21, 2010 at 4:09 am

      here is a link with a short pamphlet that describes the ULP process: http://www.nlrb.gov/nlrb/shared_files/brochures/engulp.pdf. The address for local NLRB is: 330 2nd Avenue South
      Minneapolis, MN 55401-2221, (612) 348-1757

  26. Time for anurse to turn in for the night….come back and visit when you need support and have questions or answers to others questions.

  27. Posted by wildfox on June 20, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    To file ULP you can go to office in downtown Minneapolis330 2nd Avenue South
    Minneapolis, MN 55401-2221 (612) 348-1757.
    Visit their website it gives you all the information you need. You can view how they determine violations, burden of proof, cases that have been ruled etc….. http://www.nlrb.gov/

  28. Posted by wildfox on June 20, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    Tina, If you are thinking of filing ULP it would be nice if a group of people could do it together if they allow that. We will support you.

  29. Tina…wildfox gave some great info….you could also go to your manager and/or HR dept…..if that is not satisfatory this can become a criminal case due to threats so do not sit back and allow this to continue…the people doing the intimidation are risking their jobs.

    • I was asking about the ULP for the fact that the staff were hiding equipment. I am sure they will do some of the same things prior to the next potential strike. Is that something that would qualify for a ULP against MNA or not. I do plan on alerting HR. People know how I feel on the unit and are for the most part are ok. I just focus on the patients. That is what keeps me going.

      • Posted by drichmn on June 21, 2010 at 4:11 am

        good for you. Think of the patients first. You are protecting them by alerting your managers and HR about such disturbing behavior as hiding equipment and supplies.

  30. Posted by jobless on June 20, 2010 at 6:38 pm

    I am just hoping this contract gets worked out. I moved up here at the end of May and was told that I can’t be hired due to hiring freeze at the hospitals because of the contract talks. This is hurting a lot more people then what the MNA thinks…I am glad to hear that it’s about patient safety but in reading the proposals it seems like it’s about more then just that. I just hope for the best for everyone!

  31. Posted by ilovemyjob on June 20, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    I can’t even begin to tell you how great it is to have this forum to speak up without fear of retaliation!!! Thank you “anurse” for providing this. I will definately pass this address on to my co-workers who feel just as tormented as I do. First of all, I want to say that I love my job and I have never had a bad experience with my hospital employer in over 15 years. Everything seems great for 3 years and then it’s “contract time” and nurses suddenly feel stepped on and abused. I just don’t get it. I realize that some hospitals have worse staffing situations than my own, but why can’t our union deal with those individual units/ hospitals on a case to case basis? Why can’t MNA file lawsuits on behalf of those employees who are subjected to these “horrific” staffing situations? Why do 12,000 nurses have to put their careers and livelihoods, not to mention their patients’ care, on the line for a cause that will just be fought about again in another 3 years? I just saw a post on MNA’s FB wall. It was a nurse telling members that many of her co-workers are scared and are planning to cross. She said they are fearful of getting fired and then she asked MNA if it was possible that they could be fired for striking. The members assured her that her job was NOT at risk…”this is a ULP strike” “you cannot lose your job”. Then a couple of other posters slammed her for bringing it up. Guess that site isn’t truly for asking questions…just for fanning the flames.There are MANY nurses on my unit who will not support an open ended strike. I just hope and pray we’re not asked to make that choice. Long held friendships will be destroyed over this. It’s just wrong.

    • ilovemyjob…..I agree there are relationships that will be ruined by this…someone pointed out to me there are also relationships that are developing and are becoming stronger for some of us as we find support from each other. I am hopeful that something good will come out of this.

      • Posted by Anonymous on June 21, 2010 at 3:18 pm

        There are several nurses on my unit that made the decision to cross during the one day strike, These are very strong respected nurses. We have been able to support each other. So far we haven’t had any problems with other co-workers. The MD’s haven’t said too much other than to be grateful that we were there during previous strike. I keep praying that the 2 sides can put aside their pride and settle this without a devastatiing strike.

    • Posted by drichmn on June 21, 2010 at 4:18 am

      Those nurses need to be reminded that it is not MNA that determines whether it is a lawful ULP strike. Saying it is doesn’t make it so. And the nurses need to know that the NLRB is now powerless to act since the court ruled they don’t have the necessary number of board members and Republicans are holding up Obama’s nominations. That means that a lock out is a very strong possibility and MNA is powerless to stop it. They’ll file another ULP? And what good will that do when the NLRB is prevented from acting? How many years are the nurses prepared to wait until NLRB could hear it.

      For those being intimidated by MNA, I would still file the ULP because it’s fighting fire with fire. Do they want to place their own reputation in jeopardy when MNA nurses start filing ULP’s against them?

  32. Posted by Angie on June 20, 2010 at 7:02 pm

    Thanks to Wildfox,Tina and all who come here to discuss and support each other!! I Facebook with a friend at work who has had the “nerve” to express her opinions(respectfully by the way) and has been receiving hate mail. I am sick. We cannot stand for this!! I know, keep documentation and speak to a manager/HR if it happens at work…but it seems it is arriving on people’s doorsteps. Thoughts??

    • Posted by listenup123 on June 20, 2010 at 8:20 pm

      Check with HR to see where the boundaries are for work related incidents. I am not sure of all the rules, but if it is work related, it might not matter where it is being delivered. Also, if it is threatening, she can file a report with her local police. Isn’t it crazy that we are talking about professionals who hold the lives of patients in their hands. What an interesting sociology/psychology study this would be. What happens to people when they stop thinking for themselves, and let others think for them.

    • Posted by drichmn on June 21, 2010 at 4:20 am

      If you are being intimidated when you are not at work, contact you local police department to file a report. And if you get intimidating emails save them and give them to the police.

  33. Posted by acsofs on June 20, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    I am so sorry to hear of the treatment many are experiencing. I hope the HR’s come thru loud and clear this week with a message of how they will not tolerate any intimidating/threatening behaviors by staff.

    BTW anurse, is there a way for me to set the correct time stamp for messages posted here? Or is that an administrative adjustment? I see posts here that are from the future – lol!

  34. time stamp and date…..oh how I wish I knew! As I said yesterday I have never in my life been techno-savvy….so creating this blog is something beyond my normal realm! The date and time stamp are in a weird format….and when I attempt to change the date it is UTC+14 or another number. So, unless someone has a suggestion or experince in this area I am at a standstill on that one…sorry! I assume the creator of wordpress is perhaps in another country?

  35. Posted by integritynurse on June 21, 2010 at 3:53 am

    Don’t worry about time stamp and date for now. What is important is that this site is up and running and being well used by nurses who feel a common bond in the sentiment that they don’t want to strike. I have been at Children’s MPLS for several years now and like someone said, everyone loves it there, and there is truly a kindness culture that is pervasive. Until contract time this year — and now it is all falling apart. People who were best friends and happy co-workers are now feeling animosity toward one another. I really wonder if it can ever be repaired. I know for sure that if anyone harasses me, I will immediately report it, as I was told by HR that this is reason for dismissal. I stopped posting anything on FB a long time ago. It’s not worth the risk, I would probably lose 90% of my so called “friends”. I really am at a loss to know what Children’s is even voting for. We already have the best nurse to pt ratios in the nation, we are a magnet hospital, for crying out loud. Are we going to bear the burdens of every other hospital in the twin cities who seem to have bigger fish to fry? I hope not. We have it so good there. In any case, I am never in favor of nurses abandoning the bedside patients. There has to be a better way. Let’s use our brains instead of our fear tactics.

  36. I will have some younger and more savvy help tonight so hoping to provide links to the current proposals….however I have Children’s from the employer….I hesistate to post the employer’s from MNA as I am not sure they are correct and not been altered so will search other places for them.

    • Posted by drichmn on June 21, 2010 at 4:23 am

      go to the TCH website link I posted up top. Those are the source documents. But I really would like to know the difference between the source documents and what MNA gave you.

      • If you go to MNNURSES.org you can see what MNA posted about the propoals..but as many have said they are hard to find but they do not look the same as from the link you provided which I posted again below.

  37. Posted by Tom on June 21, 2010 at 4:02 am

    You have done a great job setting up this site! Don’t sweat the small stuff.

    I hope that more nurses and other interested readers will be drawn here. The difference in tone between what you are contributing here versus the MNA Nurses Facebook page or the Strib comments section is virtually night and day. And it encourages me that there are dedicated and professional nurses who are willing to participate to improvement efforts in their hospitals and with their nursing and non-nursing colleagues rather than allow themselves to get sucked into and used by the MNA’s misguided agenda.

    The heat and fury that this labor union is generating is destructive and interferes with the hard work that can and is being done where it really matters — in our hospitals. The commentary from several posters on the Strib and MNA sites drips with victimhood, distrust and personal helplessness. It is discouraging and depressing to see a group of professionals fall into this mentality and enable an out-of-control labor union.

    • Posted by integritynurse on June 21, 2010 at 4:08 am

      WELL SAID. I would also like to ask a question. Is it true that people that work for MNA are being paid very well, as in > than 100K per year? I saw that on the strib and asked myself if it could possibly be true? I’ve always had this feeling that the unions are literally lining their pockets with our hard earned money. Please comment.

      • Posted by Tom on June 21, 2010 at 4:23 am

        From what I understand, Nemo is paid $110,000 per year. In addition, there are at least three or four others who are paid more than $100,000 per year. In 2009 — the latest information available — MNA contributed $70,000 to political campaigns, spent $1 million on meetings and travel and reported $14 million in dues. Still, it has no strike fund to support its members (although, it can and does contribute to the strike activities of other unions from time to time).

        None of the MNA leadership has been engaged in hospital nursing for the last 20 years and others such as Nemo has no knowledge or experience in health care.

        These facts would not in and of themselves be damning except that the MNA does not provide a comparable level of benefit to its membership in return for the money it is receiving as far as I am concerned. Over and above that, its behavior and public profile is actually harming the respect for nurses and their profession — and enticing some of your fellow nurses to behave badly as well.

      • Posted by wildfox on June 21, 2010 at 4:28 am

        THANKS Tom for posting MNA finances!

    • MNA and the NNU is hurting our profession. Integrity nurse…..I heard they do make a good salary…..others have more info on the tax info than I do so hopefully someone can provide that info later today.

  38. http://www.twincitieshospitals.com/2010/05/contract-proposals-submitted-to-mna/

    I just wanted to post this which drichmn posted last night…thanks by the way. MNA posted the proposals but I am pretty sure the hospitals did not say take-backs at the top. We need to be reading these from the source not from MNA. Will post links this evening when I get help doing that. I want to point out that when I looked at the proposals from Allina that MNA posted I even thought how awful….but in looking at them on this site right from the employer you get a much different picture.

  39. Posted by wildfox on June 21, 2010 at 4:35 am

    New story in strib:

    This story makes it seem nurses are all on board with MNA!

  40. Thanks Wildfox…..so MNA is attacking not only the nurses who do not believe in this strke but they are also wasting energy attacking the star/tribune reporters who are trying to report the facts. I am wondering why they are angry at a newspaper who are digging up facts? I wish they would post the proposals from both sources so maybe others can see what is presented.

  41. Posted by wildfox on June 21, 2010 at 4:48 am

    Another idea …
    I believe I could get a story out on a major TV channel so the people can hear stories like Tina’s. You could remain anonymous and it would be better to do it today before the vote. Let me know soon and I will try to set it up.

    • I don’t know how to reach Tina but if someone who has been harrassed could contact a news channel we need to get more attention to this tragedy to our nurses! I do think the older nurses are targeting the younger ones….as I have not been approached (not giving up my age though-LOL).

  42. Posted by Tom on June 21, 2010 at 4:52 am

    Wildfox — I saw your posting on the Strib site to me about the existence of this blog. I didn’t respond there but just wanted you to know this is me. I am tqbrady at the Strib and I am Tom here.

    Most of my recent posts are getting flagged by someone on the Strib site. I suspect it is dmpablo, retrntired or one of the several other “floggers” who contribute nothing to the discussion other than whining and complaining. Geez, if I want to hear whining and complaining, I will just call one of my kids. LOL

    • Thanks for joining us here Tom….just needed a place to chat and for information so here we are! Just got up and running yesterday so spread the word! And please feel free to share any information in the coming days. Always appreciate the facts!

  43. By the way…Ch 4 with Esme Murphy will have Nellie (Children’s MNA negoitation team) on about 10:10 this morning I have heard so check it out.

    • Posted by Tom on June 21, 2010 at 5:06 am

      Yes. What’s up with channel 4 right now, anyway? They’ve had one frame of a Becker Furniture ad up on the screen for five minutes already. If I were a conspiracy nut, I would say that Nemo sabotaged their transmission out of sheer spite. lol

    • Posted by wildfox on June 21, 2010 at 5:16 am

      Same info different day. Let’s see what TCH says next hour.

  44. Posted by wildfox on June 21, 2010 at 5:09 am

    I thought the same thing but Esme is a fair repoter and wouldn’t do that.

  45. Nellie feels passionate about what she believes just as we do….we just don’t see things the same way.

  46. Posted by Tom on June 21, 2010 at 5:26 am

    Nellie was a very well-spoken representative for the union’s point of view. She was probably also a strategic choice for the MNA to furnish as their spokesperson today since it does seem from what I am hearing that Children’s RNs are the least on-board with the strike authorization at this point.

    I was very surprised at some of the statements she made — (1) “hospitals want to move nurse pay back to a 2008 level” (unsubstantiated and suspect assertion) and (2) “hospitals’ self-funded insurance plans are ‘profitable’ and RNs do not want to ‘put more dollars into the hospitals’ pockets'” (again, this is flat out untrue).

    I am not surprised that Nellie didn’t raise the nurse-staffing issue, though. That omission on her part was certainly aimed at the Children’s nurses audience.

    • Posted by acsofs on June 20, 2010 at 12:27 pm

      “since it does seem from what I am hearing that Children’s RNs are the least on-board with the strike authorization at this point.”

      I’m wondering if that’s true on my unit. I’m at Children’s and so far have only heard people say they will vote to strike on Monday. A few seem to hint they don’t believe there will actually be a strike, or maybe they’re just hoping there won’t be. Most have been talking about their plans for getting thru the strike. Of course I haven’t spoken with everyone, but the chatter is everywhere on the unit and everyone seems gung-ho with the MNA plan. I haven’t heard anyone question the MNA side of things.

      Wonder what the families think as they listen to all this? I’m certain they can hear plenty on the unit.

  47. Posted by Angie on June 21, 2010 at 5:31 am

    Just overheard one of my colleagues telling one of the MD’s that they will strike for a couple of weeks, then the hospital will settle this. I don’t know what others thoughts are…but I don’t think it will be that simple..or short.

    • Posted by Tom on June 21, 2010 at 5:40 am

      Agree with you on that, Angie. The MNA should more its focus to the economic aspects of the negotiation — wages and benefits. They should be prepared to settle on reasonable compromises in these areas. The fixed staffing ratios, automatic trigger-points for ER diversion and closing hospitals to admission as well as the $5,000 fine per incident that hospitals would pay to MNA are absolute non-starters! Hospital management will negotiate on wages and benefits; however, the “patient safety” aspects of the MNA’s stance is misguided, unworkable, inflexible, unrealistic, unsupported by fact and beyond the bounds of the labor-management agreement. Period.

    • Angie..I agree with you too…..it will not be that short and sweet. If they are out for 2 weeks they are missing 4% of their income for the year….will need to much larger raise to make up for that. As far as the ratios…they won’t help us nor do they make sense.

  48. Posted by drichmn on June 21, 2010 at 5:33 am

    I would agree that the nurses who do not support what MNA is doing should contact the reporters who are doing the stories. Ask for anonymity and let them know it’s because you fear retaliation. There may be a really brave nurse out there who might be willing to go public but even if there isn’t at this time the reporters should at least be aware of what MNA nurses are experiencing.

  49. Posted by drichmn on June 21, 2010 at 5:37 am

    move nurse pay “back”? How can that be when they are keeping the step increase and offering additional increases on top of that just not the amount on top that MNA wants. How does an insurance plan make a “profit”? Did Esme respond at all, was there anybody from the hospitals on to answer the claims?

  50. Posted by wildfox on June 21, 2010 at 5:41 am

    Maureen sounded good today, gave useful information for nurses, in the past she seemed to have a unclear message.

  51. Posted by listenup123 on June 21, 2010 at 5:41 am

    From the clips I have seen, it seems as though Esme has a difficult time holding her own when she interviews MNA reps. I am wondering why the hospitals don’t have someone a little more savy as their mouthpiece as well.

  52. Posted by listenup123 on June 21, 2010 at 5:43 am

    Yes, Maureen did do a bit better today. She just seems kind of “flat” at times. I agree Wildfox, her info seemed more helpful than in the past.

  53. Posted by Angie on June 21, 2010 at 5:45 am

    Any ideas to share out there regarding the proposed pension cuts? I realize they are becoming more and more unsustainable in this time/economy. However it is a significant reduction in monthly pay after retirement..for those of us that have 20 some years to go..:) I do max out my 401K plus have various other investments/IRA. What if the hospital proposed to increase the percentage match into the 401K?

    • I think increasing the match would be a good idea…I think we all need to take some responsibility for our own retirement. As far as the pension being unsustainable…..many companies have gotten rid of the pension because they are no longer affordable.

    • Posted by Tom on June 21, 2010 at 5:54 am

      Angie, please keep two things in mind — (1) the hospital contribution to the pension fund is a separate agreement from the current 14-hospital contract and (2) the pension is provided by and under the direction of MNA, not the hospitals (which only contribute the funding). The contribution level will not affect accrued pension benefits to-date for any nurse and it will not automatically reduce benefits going forward. This is a knotty problem to be sure but it is a nation-wide issue that affects all employees and all employers. Defined-benefit plans are being converted to defined-contribution plans rapidly. That would be one option for MNA to consider in restructuring its pension plan — again, this would affect only FUTURE calculations and not accrued value.

      The important thing to remember, though, is that the hospitals’ current contribution level is an actuarially-determined cost while the charges to the fund for member pension benefits is the responsibility of MNA and can be addressed by it through modifying the pension plan.

      • Posted by drichmn on June 21, 2010 at 6:19 am

        all excellent points. Looks like MNA is trying to confuse the issue and use it as a wedge in the strike vote even though it’s not part of the actual contract .

    • Posted by drichmn on June 21, 2010 at 6:14 am

      they aren’t exactly “cuts” as most people think of it. Whatever they’ve banked so far is there, the hospitals are going to contribute a smaller percentage from 1/1/2011 onward. So nurses close to retirement will have to kick in more to their 401K to make up the difference. And those nurses who are younger will have more time to contribute into theirs. Pensions that have defined payouts are rare nowadays. And with people living longer sustainably is a legitimate issue for an employer. We have to reach a middle ground here.

  54. Posted by wildfox on June 21, 2010 at 5:47 am

    anurse … I am not sure how to do this without attracting trolls but there are nurses on strib blog today that would benefit from this blog. Can you delete blog post on this blog if they are threatening or inappropriate with out pre-approving all blog posts?

    Look at strib article :


  55. Posted by wildfox on June 21, 2010 at 5:50 am

    I think for pension, MNA needs to adopt the same pension for people who already have it and adjust new employees as they are hired at a smaller rate. The wave of the future is people need to start to plan for their retirements in addition to pensions from employers. This only seems fair to existing nurses who have planned on this pension for years.

  56. Posted by dmpablo on June 21, 2010 at 5:51 am

    I have NEVER flagged anothers post on the Strib. Where it would be prohibited to talk behind someones back on the STrib, apparently it’s O.K. here. Carry on, I really like sitting here reading the holier-than-thou comments.

  57. Wildfox…I just posted the link to this site again a little while ago on the strib…..I can set it so that I have to approve any postings if there is a problem. I can also delete a post if needed….hope I don’t have to.

  58. Posted by dmpablo on June 21, 2010 at 5:52 am

    BTW, it is not June 21st nor is the time 5:51 am.

    • Haven’t been able to change…sorry if it bothers you, you are welcome to leave this site.

      • Posted by Tom on June 21, 2010 at 6:06 am

        As I said before, don’t sweat the small stuff.

        Besides, dmpablo has amply demonstrated on the Strib comment thread that he is a master at straining the gnats and swallowing the camel.

        Hard though it may be, ignore him. And believe me, I know how hard that is! lol

    • Posted by drichmn on June 21, 2010 at 6:00 am

      she already posted up top that being a novice she doesn’t understand how wordpress has set it up or how to fix it.

  59. Posted by Angie on June 21, 2010 at 5:55 am

    Good points Tom and nostrikefornurses, I have on occaision tried to point out the percentage of wage loss from even a couple of weeks out. It’s amazing the blank stares I get back. People don’t care, it’s all about “getting what we want.” One of our MNA reps told us to contact our 401K and try and arrange for a “hardship” loan. I almost choked. Anyone want to review the tax penalty on the dollar..and then the really big penalty when/if you decide not to pay it back??

    • Posted by drichmn on June 21, 2010 at 6:05 am

      tell them to go to this website, templehealth.org/lost wages, and they can figure out how much they’ll lose themselves.

    • Angie….we have a 403b but here are some reasons I would think before doing this. For example, if you take a 403b loan, then you’re going to be prohibited from participating in your plan until all of the money is repaid. If your employer matches your contributions, then you’re missing out on that benefit. And if you eventually decide you cannot repay the loan then you’re going to owe income tax and pay a 10% early withdrawal penalty.

      In addition, if you decide to leave your employer before the loan is repaid, then you may be required to immediately repay the entire loan or be faced with tax penalties. Consult an accountant before doing anything involving your retirement account. Otherwise if you have questions post them here and we will try to answer…I do have access to an accountant.

      • Posted by Angie on June 21, 2010 at 6:43 am

        Oh I certainly agree this is not the best idea, perhaps my comment was a little “tongue in cheek”. It is not somewhere I would pull money from to prepare for a strike. Good point drichmn.

  60. Posted by wildfox on June 21, 2010 at 6:43 am

    “MNA finally got around to posting both versions of the proposals. And still the hospitals version was tweaked to cause a negative gut reaction by using hostile words like “force the nurse to …” Do you really think the hospitals would be stupid enough to use such language??”

    If any nurses received info from MNA that the above nurse posted you must save this others may need to use it in the future. I was invovled in a similar situation once and contacted the Dept. of Labor and they stated I would need written documentation the union reps were falsifing information to prove what I was saying and I did not have it. Many people suffered and lost a lot from this lesson.

  61. Posted by ilovemyjob on June 21, 2010 at 6:44 am

    I think there are way too many nurses who believe that they will be out for a week or two and then will come back like nothing ever happened. From what I understand, If a strike occurs, hospitals will scale back their census, close many units and consolidate patients into units left open. I heard from nurses who experienced the 84 strike that even once an agreement was made between the hospitals and MNA, it took weeks/ months before all units were up and “whole” again. Many nurses did not return to their original unit, point level, shift, or weekend rotation. I also heard that all nursing positions were re-posted and nurses had to “bid” on those positions as they came available. It sounds like many nurses were bumped out of their units and forced to take whatever options were open at the time of their call back. Does anyone know if this is how it will work this time? Are call backs strictly by seniority? Can the hospital actually permanently replace striking nurses when a ULP is on file, or can that only happen if the NLRP sides with the hospitals?

    • I believe that the coming back to work process may be negotiated with MNA so not sure if we can give a definite answer to that. I do know a nurse who was working during the strike in ’84….she was laid off after the strike and has not worked for a contract hospital since. In 1938 Mackay Radio and Telegraph did hire permanent replacements while the case was still being heard by the NLRB….you can google Mackay vs NLRB. When the case was settled there was no evidence that Mackay was guilty of ULP so they were allowed to keep the replacements that wanted to stay.

    • Posted by wildfox on June 21, 2010 at 6:55 am

      What you posted about 1984 strike it correct. I was working at contract hospital when this happened. As far as ULP … we can call /email and ask NLRB if while a ULP claim by MNA is pending can the hospitals hire permanent replacement workers.

    • Posted by relievedRN on June 22, 2010 at 9:01 pm

      First of all, I am no longer feeling like the “odd nurse out”. Thank you for the forum for rational discussion. Secondly, I thought I would share the length of time I was out of work for the “one day strike”…18 days. This is due to understandable hospital planning in decreasing the patient census and closing of units accordingly. So, for those who believe an open ended strike will be short lived please know that the ramifications are different depending on where you work. I reluctantly was on strike June 10th as I followed my beliefs regarding the importance of union representation for workers. MNA’s lack of professionalism and fear mongering have challenged these beliefs. I also believe that the MNA’s seeming unwillingness to truly negotiate as well as it’s manipulation of it’s members is unprofessional and embarrassing. I love being a nurse and am very saddened by the hit the nursing profession is taking due to the actions of the union leaders and followers. Scary times…

      • Posted by drichmn on June 22, 2010 at 9:16 pm

        I reposted your comment in the Thoughts on the Strike blog topic. I think they are too important to get missed in this one.

        Thank you for sharing your thoughts. We’re glad you found us.

  62. Posted by acsofs on June 21, 2010 at 6:52 am

    anurse – Our time zone is UCT minus 5 hours. Hope that helps. Thanks again for creating this great blog!

    • My only options are +every 30 min up to +14

    • Thanks…..just found another option and your advice worked!!

      • Posted by drichmn on June 20, 2010 at 12:34 pm

        that’s the nursing ingenuity that I know and love in my colleagues! We keep working at it until we figure it out. And we aren’t afraid to try new things like this blog. 🙂

        I admire your passion for your job and for what your think is the right thing to do for your patients. And I admire that you are willing to step up to the plate to help your colleagues have a voice. I’ve been a nurse a long time and I am near retirement and I’m glad to see that there are others like you following behind me.

        Even though there is strife in our profession at this moment, I feel good to know that it is in good hands with nurses like you and the others who have stepped up to try to educate and inform their peers in their hospitals. Thank you for all that each of you is doing.

  63. Posted by drichmn on June 21, 2010 at 7:11 am

    did Nemo every publicize his abject apology to the press on any of the MNA social media sites that he trashed them on? Or doesn’t he want the nurses to know that he apologized. http://www.minnpost.com/braublog/2010/06/18/19062/nurses_spokesman_apologizes_for_braublog_outburst

  64. Trying out the new time set…

  65. Posted by wildfox on June 20, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    The vote tomarrow takes 66 % to strike, let’s all hope MNA doesn’t get the number they need! Does anyone know if there will be neutral parties there to oversee the vote count?

    • I think I heard if you are a member you can be there to watch the count….I assume where the votin is being done….I don’t know who actually does the counting….I am still having a hard time believing they got 90% last time.

      • Posted by wildfox on June 20, 2010 at 12:18 pm

        I think they were using Bush’s “fuzzy math” !

        • Posted by pharmone on June 21, 2010 at 2:19 pm

          Thanks for this website. You have restored my faith in nursing! I support all of you so much! You really do care! Lots of “fuzzy math” lately, huh?

  66. Posted by wildfox on June 20, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    Nurses you can go to NLRB and click FAQ’s to see if your question can be answered regading this situation.


  67. Posted by wildfox on June 20, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    anurse … When you post documents it would be nice to have the ones MNA obviously amended from TCH.

  68. Posted by Angie on June 20, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    I have heard that the temple nurses “got all that they asked for” and also that a judge recently ruled that they are owed either back pay or unemployment for their ” time off” This was posted on MNA..can anyone speak to this?

    • Posted by drichmn on June 20, 2010 at 12:41 pm

      do read the story from the link Wildfox posted and post the link to the story on the MNA website. All they got was unemployment compensation. They are completely different situations.

      • Posted by wildfox on June 20, 2010 at 12:53 pm

        If MNA implied that Temple Hospital situation was NLRB ULP case that is misleading.

  69. Posted by wildfox on June 20, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    Temple Hospital case was filed at Pennsylvania state court level not NLRB. You can go to Philadelphia Inquirer to read about it.



  70. We will all keep praying for a NO vote tomorrow so we can get back to negotiations. I do fear that if there is a yes vote there will be no more negotiations and we will be striking.

    • Posted by Angie on June 20, 2010 at 2:28 pm

      I agree with you. Will send prayers also. I can hardly imagine how awful this may become. Thoughts of crossing a picket line make me nervous, scared and sick, but in spite of that I think it would be the right thing to do. Things MNA are asking for are NOT reasonable, especially fixed pt ratios and the way all this “pt safety” has been spun and become such a huge issue…smells very strongly of “agenda.”

      • If it does come down to a strike and you choose to cross do talk to your manager or another one that you can talk to and they will help you in getting into and out of the hospital safely….I am told the hospital has a plan to get us in and out. I suspect if a strike goes on for a long time we will be seeing more nurses coming back to work.

  71. Just want you all to know that Esme Murphy posted this site on her Twitter site so we may have more company joining us! Hope to reach more with support in the coming days ahead!

  72. http://www.twincitieshospitals.com/2010/05/contract-proposals-submitted-to-mna/ Here is the link to the proposals the hospitals submitted. Please read them from the source….it appears the proposals posted on mnnurses.org are a little different. I am hoping to have links to these later this evening to make it easier for all to see.

    • Posted by Undecided on June 20, 2010 at 5:53 pm

      I found your link while reading on the strib posts. I’m really not sure who to believe in this whole dabacle and feel like the nurses involved are very much stuck in the middle between the Unions and the hospitals hidden agendas. I have read the hospital proposal many times with a fine tooth comb and can’t find the things that MNA is claiming they are saying. However, there are so many grey areas open for interpretation that I am not sure if they are reading into this or if thier making stuff up. I asked a Union rep on the negotiating team where to find a specific statement in regard to the hospital being able to change our schedule at random, in regards to floating us all over the hospital and several other questions that I could not specifically find in the proposal and she stated that when attempting to negotiate with the hospital they refused to spell these things out clearly, so therefore thier intent was to do those things. As for the staffing ratio’s, we need an acuity based sytem not direct pt numbers. This makes no sense. All patients do not require an equal amount of nursing time. Now, that being said, if we vote “no” to a strike, we are stuck with a rather unfavorable contract in my eyes. So either way….we are screwed. I feel very caught in the middle and am still not sure how I will vote tomorrow. I’m honestly thinking about just not voting,

      • Posted by wildfox on June 20, 2010 at 6:35 pm

        PLEASE VOTE. If you are not sure how to vote … vote abstained.

        • Posted by Undecided on June 20, 2010 at 7:07 pm

          Wildfox-is that not the same as not voting at all? Just don’t know what to do.

          • Posted by wildfox on June 20, 2010 at 7:13 pm

            I would in my mind consider “abstianed” as a protest vote or “why are you putting us in this position”. At least you voted and made a statement you could feel good about..

            • Posted by Undecided on June 20, 2010 at 7:15 pm

              Good point. Never thought about it like that and that is exactly how I feel about it.

      • Posted by Sunny on June 20, 2010 at 6:40 pm

        I am concerned that MNA does not have an official outside agency counting the votes. This is a National agenda and I feel they will find a way to keep an open ended strike happen. No one wins in a strike and most of all the patients suffer on many levels.

      • Posted by drichmn on June 20, 2010 at 6:53 pm

        I would be very skeptical of anyone telling you that even though you can’t find anything in the contract that says it that’s what the hospitals intend to do. Can they change your schedule around at random now? What I saw in the hospital proposals was floating to “like” units. These proposals from MNA and the hospitals are taking your current contract and making changes to it. So if they don’t address it that means that it will stay like it is in your current contract.

        • Posted by wildfox on June 20, 2010 at 7:04 pm

          I agree, if you don’t see it in writing it didn’t happen! In addition.
          It is up to each department to develope staffing grids. Some people are lucky and have great management teams and some don’t. It really in the end will fall on the mangement teams how staffing will be applied to your specific units.

  73. Posted by drichmn on June 20, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    another bogus claim posted on the strib website. The MNA nurse claimed that the data for adverse events in MN is in aggregate so the hospitals can hide behind it. That is false. There is a link on the MDH patient safety webpage called “Search facilities’ adverse events reporting” which takes you to a page where you can search the data by hospital. It just astounds me how people post things without ever checking them out.

    http://www.health.state.mn.us/patientsafety/adverseselect.cfm. You can search the data by hospital all the way back to 2005.

  74. Posted by Angie on June 20, 2010 at 6:44 pm

    I think if the vote results are “yes” MNA will notify the hospitals Tuesday am they will be striking in 10 days. PLEASE VOTE EVERYONE!

    • Posted by wildfox on June 20, 2010 at 7:08 pm

      when vote comes in as NO STRIKE!

    • Posted by wildfox on June 20, 2010 at 7:31 pm

      I think MNA will give strike notice for around the 4th of July weekend if they get the votes needed tomorrow. VOTE NO STRIKE FOR PATIENT CARE!

    • Angie…I think I heard negotiations are scheduled for Tuesday and MNA wants a strike vote so they go in with all the power….I think they may also want to go in with an intent to strike which they feel may give them even more power. If nurses vote to strike they better be prepared to act on that vote. I just wish they would negotiate….and I wish some would realize that there are those of us who do not feel that a strike is a way to settle this…and it hurts the patients.

  75. Posted by wildfox on June 20, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    Does anyone know if the vote decision tomorrow will be split up into different facilities or if it is total majority of votes for strike, everyone goes on strike? Some how it doesn’t seem fair if one hospital had enough NO votes not to strike but another hospital has more than enough YES votes to strike it would cancel out the NO votes. OMG !!! Does this make sense, I can’t articulate what my brain is thinking!?!?!?!??

    • Posted by Undecided on June 20, 2010 at 7:05 pm

      Wildfox-Each hospital is separate. The votes are suppose to be all tallied up separate so 1 hospital may be striking and another not.

      • Undecided….good luck with your decision tomorrow. I did find differences with the proposals with what MNA has posted and what the hospitals posted they offered. I am not saying the hospitals are blameless either…..but I do know I feel as if the patients are put in the middle and I cannot do that….they are not given a choice in this fight. I don’t think these issues are so bad that they can’t be worked out. So again, good luck tomorrow and in the coming days.

        • Posted by Undecided on June 20, 2010 at 9:40 pm

          Yes, the patients are caught in the middle of this as much as we are. Sure wish I knew who to believe and what is actually factual information. Would make it much easier to make a decision based on facts. The 2 sides info does not match up. MNA’s info they are handing out and telling everyone is alot differant than what I read, when I read the actual contract proposal. Both sides have done a fare share of propaganda and mis-representation. Hopefully when I go to vote tomorrow I will not regret how I vote. Which brings me back to the “abstain” vote I’m leaning towards. Thanks for the well wishes and same to you!

          • Posted by wildfox on June 20, 2010 at 9:48 pm

            Undecided … we will support you … and be thinking of you tomorrow.

          • Posted by Angie on June 20, 2010 at 9:55 pm

            Undecided…hold your contract book in one hand, your hospital proposals in the other. What is from the hospital has the ability to be negotiated and changed in the contract book. Otherwise things stay the same. With all the rumors and stories out there, that was the best way for me to start approaching this. Best of luck to you!

  76. Posted by wildfox on June 20, 2010 at 7:09 pm

    Undecided ,,, Thank you for this info, that is great news!

  77. Posted by wildfox on June 20, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    anurse … Is there a way to send you private messages? As I recall from prior wordpress expierence I think you can? Do not remember how?

  78. Hello wildfox….I was out for a while so sorry. I am new to this so I am not sure…..will check into it!

  79. Posted by Sunny on June 20, 2010 at 8:56 pm

    I hope everyone realizes along with loss of pay, which will be more than their actual raise would generate, they will also have to pay Cobra for their health care ($1,000 monthly approx.) and will not have life insurance, disability etc. How sad if they or a loved one pass away while in Strike status without the protection they have paid for, for years

    • Absolutely….there is alot to lose and I am not sure if everyone has thought of that or if they are just believing everything there are told. Yes it would be sad if something happened when they are out on strike.

  80. Thanks anurse for setting this up. I’ve posted at the strib too but I’m a contract nurse at a metro hospital that isn’t currently in negotiations. Thankfully, we have a no-strike clause in our contract so I won’t ever have to go through what you are! I have four friends involved in this mess, two are gung-ho strike, one plans to cross immediately, and one plans to cross after three weeks if not resolved. It is hurting our friendships we’ve had since nursing school 9 years ago. I wish that you guys could get a no-strike clause in your contract, then you could actually have the two sides NEGOTIATE instead of just posturing. Good luck everyone tomorrow!

  81. Posted by Tom on June 20, 2010 at 10:10 pm

    I sincerely hope that — no matter how the vote turns out tomorrow or how this contract is finally resolved — those of you who who who are troubled by the actions of your union and have doubts about whether it is serving your interests or pursuing its own agenda will not let go of what you have started here.

    Over the longer term, questions about the hospital nursing profession , the working relationships within each hospital and the search for effective ways to improve patient care and hospital performance will not go away. I hope all nurses will consider their personal responsibility to positively affect these matters rather than exhaling and waiting another three years to go through another MNA drama again.

    There is much to be done. For some, it may mean becoming more engaged with your manager and administration in hospital staffing, nursing practice or orientation and training efforts. For others, it may mean replacing your institutional MNA representatives and/or lobbying for a change of MNA leadership. I wish you all luck tomorrow and all the days beyond. Realize the power you have as a individuals and as a group. Act on your conscience to use that power in more effective and useful ways to further your profession. The prevailing attitudes and behavior of your union and many of your fellow members are not serving you well. Work to change them!

    • I just had to reread Tom’s message…..he is so right….we too can become empowered to make a change! If we don’t like going through this then let’s pursue a way to change the process. We won’t just go away when this is done..this is our opportunity to do something for the nurses who come after us.

  82. I am shocked that there has been little to no discussion of the moral and ethical implications for a professional nurse to abandon their responsibility to the critically ill patients we are pledged to care for. Are we willing to accept the increased rate of errors that will likely lead to adverse patient outcomes and possible deaths as acceptable “collateral damage”.
    Though MNA has been openly preparing nurses for a possible strike since last fall, the physical and ethical implications have not been openly addressed. One study has shown that in 50 hospital strikes in New York from 1984-2004; patients were 20% more likely to die resulting in total of140 needless deaths with an average of 3 deaths per strike. A large strike here will likely result in similar outcomes. The nurse’s code of ethics calls us to advocate and promote the health and safety of our patients. We must remember that as professional nurses our primary commitment is to our patients, not our union.

    • Posted by wildfox on June 20, 2010 at 10:35 pm

      Braveheart… NO VOTE tomorrow is a “We care for you” moment.

    • Braveheart…..this is a big reason many of us are not supporting a strike. It is putting the patients in the middle….and will hurt them no matter how long we strike for. We are being patient advocates by standing up and NOT supporting a strike!

    • Posted by listenup123 on June 20, 2010 at 10:43 pm

      Thank you for that braveheart! I agree, and am morally outraged at some of the behavior by the nurses who walked out on the 10th. I, too, worry about what might happen during a prolonged strike. I just cannot imagine marching around outside, while “my”patients might be having difficulties inside. I will be one of the nurses on the inside…….I hope there are others who feel called to join me.

      • I will be on the inside with you! If it comes to that I will be posting information to links that have helpful information.

      • It is encouraging to know that there are other nurses who have “not drunk the kool-aid” that is MNA and their agenda that does not represent my values and approach to professionalism in nursing practice. The blue collar manufacturing labor mindset of the AFL-CIO that MNA is part of have been so clearly on display in this. Though many are dismayed that the tactics of the hospitals will “break the union”, this may be a positive development as we could rebuild a truly professional nurses union that works collaboratively with the hospitals to promote quality patient care, and rewards excellence in clinical practice through clinical ladders, NOT a system that rewards seniority only through step increases and SENIORITY BONUSES. Does anyone else see how counter productive to professionalism in practice the MNA contract has been in the past and presently? Many senior nurses who get a large seniority bonus in the current contract are not the ones who deserve it!

        • Posted by I vote NO on June 21, 2010 at 7:03 pm

          Braveheart- I was happy to see you mention the issue of professionalism. I feel as though this whole strike business has undone the hard work of nurses who have tried to promote nurses as professionals-and nursing as a profession of educated, qualified, highly trained people. Standards of care identify nurses as people ‘possessing exceptional skill or knowledge’–yet, the union mentality drags us-and our profession down into what you so aptly stated, “the blue collar manufacturing labor mindset”. Nurses who-two weeks ago-appeared competent, intelligent, and professional, are today lining the streets, chanting, and impeding the ability of patients and other staff from safely and comfortably entering the very place they are supposed to be safe!
          I, like many other silent (or should I say silenced) voices, do not feel the union represents my values or my commitment to professionalism, nor are they behaving in a way I would EVER behave!

      • I will be there and ready to cross and am willing to stand up for what I see is the right decision to make. I am incredulous at the behavior I have seen of nurses on the picket line and have been truly embarrassed for how nurses have presented themselves, yelling, chanting and not even seeing how foolish and unprofessional they look. I am saddened that those who want to be seen as “health care professionals” by their behavior contradict who they are.

        • Good for you braveheart….we have the right to stand up for the patients too! We are just going about it differently than those who will be on the picket line.

      • Posted by Angie on June 21, 2010 at 10:06 am

        I will also be on the inside with you!

  83. Thanks so much Tom for your advice. You are right this cannot stop here for us. We do need to become more involved in things at work so this does not happen again in 3 years.

  84. Posted by Sunny on June 21, 2010 at 12:16 am

    So, if you post your opinion on a website and do it while you are not on the clock and are being asked to stay off website, is that a violation of freedom of speech? Is asking someone to read everything available and make the best decision they can make a violation? Q & A information has been a huge part of contingency planning. If people come to and need their leaders now…now is the time to give the best answer you can give. The answers they have been guided to provide, when asked by people seeking all information possible to keep completely informed. I would expect all people to seek answers from MNA Reps and Leadership. This is a huge decision.

    • Hi Sunny…I guess that depends on where you are…if you are at work I believe they have the right to block certain websites…on this website we are asking everyone to read the information from the hospitals…not from the MNA website as the proposals they posted are different….look at Allina’s for a good example! I know nurses who have gone to MNA leadership and questioned them and also voiced their concern over striking….and if you read facebook you will know anyone who questions a strike quickly gets shot down. We here are suggesting you read the proposals for yourself and make your own decision….not one someone else wants you to make just because you are part of the group.

  85. Posted by anewnursedad on June 21, 2010 at 12:48 am

    Being the father of a first year RN I have a definite opinion here. As a one time trade union member I have experienced this old-school union mentality first hand. It took me 10 years to learn
    Defined benefits pensions… Virtually unheard of today and the last bastion of true union thievery. It is the rank and file that gets hurt not the union leadership. These types of pensions are massive pools of money open to the corruption that exists. You need not look further then St Paul as the fire and police union is ordered to pay back over $75 million in a recent judicial ruling to the City of St Paul. In this case a few hundred retirees were over paid. Does anyone ask why, of probably 10s of thousands of retirees, only a few hundred are over paid 10s of millions of dollars?
    Follow the REAL money….

    • I agree! The pension is something most companies have done away with because they are not sustainable in today’s economy. I feel if the hospital was able to make money with the economy and reimbursements the way there are then we have great financial people working for us….but we must plan for the future and remember the state of the economy. That being said….many of us do not believe nurses should ever go on strike!! Regardless of money/benefits….it is not right for the patients. This is hurting many working relationships as well. In the end the only one who will win in the is MNA and the NNU. Good luck to your daughter….tough place to be new and stand up for what you believe!

  86. I just couldnt sleep because I was feeling nervous about the voting tomorrow and am so happy you have this blog here. It has relaxed me in knowing that I am not alone in my feelings. The green background helps too 🙂 I will also not abandon patients, and it feels good to know I am not the only one. THANK YOU! I think I can sleep now.

    BTW I heard if you crossed the picket line on the 10th that you will probably not be allowed to vote. Is that true. I didnt cross but a couple coworkers i know did.

    • Posted by drichmn on June 21, 2010 at 6:40 am

      If your coworkers aren’t allowed to vote please let us know. From what I understand, MNA should not be able to prevent them from voting.

      There are people who support your decision and will be there to help you through your nervous feelings and any questions you may have. And go to your HR and manager for support. They are not the ogres that others are trying to present them as.

      Good luck to you.

      • drichmn, I have a heavy schedule this week…I would appreciate it if you could answer questions as much as possible? you provide alot of good information and I will feel better knowing that questions/concerns do not go unanswered. Thanks for all your input! Hoping Tom and Wildfox are on also to help answer questions!

    • Just wondering Tina…have your co-workers that crossed been told anything from MNA about a fine? We will all have to wait out today and when the vote comes back tonight then we will have to make plans should we continue on to a strike…and yes I feel we will head in that direction. I am just hoping enough people have seen the light and vote NO today! We need to get off the picket line and back to the bargaining table. You are not alone!!

  87. Posted by integritynurse on June 21, 2010 at 9:40 am

    Well, I did it. I voted “NO” to strike today at Park Center High school in Brooklyn Park. It was very easy to find and there was a ton of parking. It wasn’t very busy yet, but I am sure it will get busier as the day goes on. At this point there was a small steady stream of nurses casting their vote. At every turn people were stationed in various places asking me if I had any questions before I voted. I just kept saying no. They tell you not to fold your ballot, I’m not sure why. I would have preferred to fold it, but I turned it over so no one could read it as I slipped it in the box. It was definitely a pressure filled situation, as you can imagine. Red shirts EVERYWHERE! I promptly then went out , and I hope that the hospital is making plans for those of us who chose to cross. She assured me that there will be a plan in place to safely get us in and out of the hospital. I feel a little better now. Please get out and vote no!!

    • Posted by wildfox on June 21, 2010 at 10:21 am

      GOOD for you!
      VOTING NO is a “We care for you ” moment !
      Let’s keep our fingers crossed!

    • Good for you integritynurse! You are showing your integrity! We can still hope we don’t make it to another strike but we must prepare if there is a strike vote today.

  88. Posted by Angie on June 21, 2010 at 10:20 am

    In response to the questions about a fine..prior to the 6/10 strike, I received a letter from the hospital stating that if we chose to work, we did have to send a letter(receipt requested) to the union and resign membership. If I remember correctly, it also stated MNA could fine you for crossing without notification/resignation. Last night at work a MNA rep came by with a FAQ sheet in which one question addressed crossing the line. “MNA Bylaws provide that members, after due process, can be disciplined if charges are brought by other members. Such discipline may include reprimand, censure, suspension, or expulsion from membership. Contrary to what many hospitals have told nurses, there is no provision in the MNA Bylaws for assessing fines.” Not quite sure what this means…if anyone can speak to this, I would appreciate it. My gut response after reading the above was the 1st sentence was rather threatening…sounds like free rein to harass someone, and if I choose to resign….you can stick your “reprimand” and “censure”! Off to vote “NO”!!!

    • Posted by wildfox on June 21, 2010 at 10:27 am

      Angie, On NLRB website I think I saw it was illegal to fines members . Go to website and read .



    • Way to go Angie!! I hope we are all feeing a little more empowered!

    • Posted by drichmn on June 21, 2010 at 3:02 pm

      Angie, go to your HR rep and ask them for clarification. Take the FAQ sheet with you so they know exactly what MNA told you.

      “reprimand, censure, suspension, or expulsion from membership.” That’s all related to your MNA membership benefits. What you should specifically ask HR about is if your health insurance or pension is in any way affected since that seems to have been implied to others. I personally don’t think they can touch your insurance or pension but it’s always good to check it out with those who deal with things like that all the time.

      • I checked with HR and with MNA and asked about the pension just so we have clarification…….they said if you resign your full membership in MNA you do not give up your pension and you still continue to accrue benefits. You do give up your right to vote and to be on unit councils and of course cannot be an MNA elected official.

        • Posted by integritynurse on June 21, 2010 at 5:39 pm

          Boo Hoo, I’m so sad.!!

        • Posted by I vote NO on June 21, 2010 at 7:10 pm

          I withdrew my membership before the first strike, and the HR dept assured me that I will not lose my MNA pension benefits. I was so PROUD to work that day (the 10th) and will proudly work through another strike! Our patients need us!

          • Posted by wildfox on June 21, 2010 at 7:29 pm

            Good for you! You should be proud. I worked 10th too and everything went fine. Patients will thank you too.

  89. Posted by wildfox on June 21, 2010 at 10:44 am


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    WCCO 4 – (612) 339-4444

  90. I have heard both ways about the fines….I do have a lawyer looking at this but would appreciate any input anyone has on this. I am not trusting them to simply say they would not…I have always heard that they can. If you plan to cross a letter is maybe best to resign your full membership…if you don’t resign you could be fined if that is possible….and if a member files a grievance against you, you will be suspended anyway,

  91. Posted by ConcernedNurseSpouse on June 21, 2010 at 11:10 am

    I am thrilled to see some nurses having this discussion and supporting one another. I was beginning to think none had the ability to think critically — or think for themselves — since to many just blindly follow the MNA, which clearly has its own agenda.

    One suggestion: I’d take some of the important elements of this discussion and break them out into additional blog posts. That way everything isn’t kept in this one long thread, which will grow hard to navigate over time — it already is quite lengthy.

    I look forward to following your updates and discussions.

  92. Posted by ConcernedNurseSpouse on June 21, 2010 at 11:17 am

    You’re welcome. Also, if you have any questions about wordpress I am happy to offer my support (I am a wordpress developer). Feel free to e-mail me.

    • Would love your help on this as I am very inexperienced!

      • Posted by acsofs on June 21, 2010 at 3:45 pm

        ConcernedNurseSpouse – On some website boards there is a way to send a PM (personal message) to another poster. It’s a way to contact a poster privately vs posting the message for the entire internet audience. Is this possible on wordpress?

        • Posted by ConcernedNurseSpouse on June 21, 2010 at 3:58 pm

          There are some options for this, yes. But they require adding a “plugin” to wordpress to add the functionality. Another easy option is to create an anonymous e-mail address that people can send messages to. Either gmail or yahoo would be good options for that.

    • Posted by drichmn on June 21, 2010 at 4:19 pm

      ConcernedNurseSpouse–is it possible to have others do blog posts and not just replies? I would be willing to help anurse with breaking elements from this thread into additional blog posts.

  93. Another thank you for starting this post. I commend the nurses who have already commented for your thoughts.
    I do know what you are going through. I was one of the only non grandfathered RN to cross picket lines at a TC hospital in 1984. Oh, the stories I could tell. During the last several months I have felt an increasing sense of dread as I witnessed the same behaviors playing out as in 1984. I was a new nurse at that time. In retrospect, I actually am very proud of myself for having the courage to go against the grain and follow my own convictions. I was and am respectful of the collective bargaining process but strongly feel the patients do not deserve to be placed in the middle.
    If you plan on working, I will see you then. Do resign from the union if you are a member and send them a certified letter. (I actually hand delivered mine to them in 1984!) There are nurses that still don’t speak to me but that’s OK.
    If there are are responses to this entry, I can share more.

    • Thank you for sharing this with us…by all means feel free to share with us as we may all be facing this after we hear the vote tonight so it is nice to hear courageous stories. If I can figure out how to put your story into another category I will but am short on time with work shcedule this week.

      • Posted by drichmn on June 21, 2010 at 4:20 pm

        I’d be willing to help you with doing additional blog posts. I just replied to ConcernedNurseSpouse to see if it’s possible for me to do that.

        • please check your email

        • Just forwarded you 2 emails with helpful information from concernednursespouse….thanks so much for you help!

          • Posted by drichmn on June 21, 2010 at 5:05 pm

            got them. I just have to figure out how to be able to do anything other than reply. 🙂

            • Posted by wildfox on June 21, 2010 at 5:23 pm

              Thanks for helping anurse! This website is much needed!
              I am trying to slay the dragons on strib … I might need to give it a rest. Narrow minded people with tunnel vision wear me out! Plus it is not like we don’t know the outcome of the votes.

    • Posted by Angie on June 21, 2010 at 5:39 pm

      Mary SM..thanks for sharing your point of view. I would be very interested to hear any information you care to share. I have heard the return to work in 1984 was not all roses as some would like us to believe. I understand that some hospitals had closed units and there were not positions for some RN’s to return to. I have a hard time believing that after being out for that long, RN’s just all were restored to previous positions, hours, etc. If you can speak to any of this, it would be appreciated. 🙂

  94. Posted by Angie on June 21, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    Another “NO” vote in the ballot box from me:)

  95. Posted by integritynurse on June 21, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    Thank you everyone who have posted positive uplifting things on this site. It is very much appreciated. I am dreading the thought of crossing in the event of a strike, especially after Mary said that certain nurses still don’t speak to her after all these years. I’m not sure that I could bear it. But what choice do I have? I was in Dunn Bros today studying, and the owner told me that her husband was just laid off and how he wishes he was a nurse with a good paying job right about now. We got into a discussion about how people who are in the serving professions like nurses, doctors, cops, etc, should never be allowed to go out on strike because it doesn’t make sense. She knows alot of nurses in this area, and said that she has yet to meet one who is in favor of the strike. I was surprised, but it gave me hope at the same time. Vote no everyone and let’s keep praying that this thing will turn around.

  96. Posted by integritynurse on June 21, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    Facebook is going crazy tonite with the yes votes. Very Scary.

    • Posted by Angie on June 21, 2010 at 7:27 pm

      I saw a lot of red shirts while I was voting today. Scary indeed. I know a lot of nurses are scared and don’t support this. I understand they don’t want to be harassed or blackballed. I certainly don’t either. I spoke with several nurses over the weekend who don’t agree with this but will go along with MNA, I’m starting to get a little tired of this mentality. We have numbers too!! Yes, minority, but if more people don’t have the strength to step forward with their beliefs, what is the point?? I truly feel in my heart( and I’ve done my research on both sides too) that this will end well for no one (nurses, hospitals) if this goes to an open ended strike. The Union benefits and still collects dues by the way, during a strike. You don’t want to stand alone??? Then stand up!!! I know you are out there!!! I’m a little stressed, thanks everyone for your support.

      • Posted by wildfox on June 21, 2010 at 7:35 pm

        Stay strong ! Are you serious that MNA can collect dues from striking workers? That seems alittle to much to ask.

        • Posted by Angie on June 21, 2010 at 8:43 pm

          Thanks for your support Wildfox! And yes, my understanding is that even in event of a strike, dues are still owed. It boggles the mind. Truly. And even if you resign membership, dues are still owed, 10$ less a month, my current dues are 58$ a month. What a bargain!

  97. Posted by drichmn on June 21, 2010 at 8:21 pm

    Just so you know, anurse has given me the rights to categorize the posts on this page. This thread was getting a bit long.

    You will begin to see some changes as I play around with it.

    I’ll add some new posts that will show up in the upper right under “latest posts” to make it easier to find things that have already been posted and so that you can post in categories of comments.

    You’ll also see some other pages show up as tabs at the top. Bear with me as I learn how to do this. Thanks for your patience.

    • Posted by Angie on June 21, 2010 at 8:59 pm

      Awesome! Thanks for all your work!

    • Posted by wildfox on June 21, 2010 at 9:00 pm

      hanks for helping anurse! go for it! Is it possible to put a link for contact info and documents for NLRB, MNA, TCH etc… so all that info is in one place for people to see? Is there a way to send private messages that would not appear on the internet?
      Thx again

      • Posted by drichmn on June 21, 2010 at 9:06 pm

        Yes, I’m starting to put those links in the blogroll on the right hand side of the page. Please encourage everybody to start using the “Latest Posts” categories so we can find comments etc a little easier instead of one long thread.

        I’m also putting contact information at the top of the page tabs next to the Home page.

  98. Posted by integritynurse on June 21, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    The voting is done, any word yet on the results?

    • Posted by Angie on June 21, 2010 at 8:49 pm

      Not yet, my understanding was that if you were in line at 830pm, you would be allowed to vote. Fair enough. Speaking as a 12 hour staff nurse:) Hopefully, sometime during the 10:00 news, we will get results.

  99. Posted by integritynurse on June 21, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    Awesome, thanks Angie

  100. Posted by drichmn on June 21, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    To Everybody:

    Please check out the “Latest Post” categories in the upper right to start leaving comments about your strike vote experiences or advice or stories about crossing the picket line.

  101. Posted by acsofs on June 21, 2010 at 9:36 pm

    Thanks much drichman for pitching in to organize the issues and supportive posts here. 🙂

  102. Posted by Anonymous on June 21, 2010 at 10:54 pm

    I was on the inside of the hospital during the 1984 strike due to my position. I did see and worked with nurses who cross from day one and there was a cold chill when the striking nurses return to work. However, work went on and patients were cared for. Things did change with insurance companies recognizing patients could be discharge quicker, especially OB patients whose length of stay shorten by days or surgical patients were discharged with far few days in the hospital. I can’t say for sure it was directly related to the strike, but the strike seem to have some bearing on the length of patient stay in the hospital. This would have happen in the future, but I believe the strike changed the dynamics of length of stay before its time.

    • Posted by Tom on June 21, 2010 at 11:22 pm

      Those are excellent observations. I was “inside the hospital” in 1984, too . . . as an administrator (dirty word, I know!). Ironically, the MNA did much to change patient care in 1984 as it is deceifully claiming it intends to do in 2010.

      That change, however, was an “unintended consequence”. Reduced capacity in the hospitals in 1984 did, in fact, create incentives to (1) reduce length of stay for OB patients (aided and abetted by local HMOs); (2) hastened acceptance of non- or minimally-invasive treatment approaches; and (3) accelerated the movement of what were traditional hospital-based services to alternative settings such as surgi-centers, dialysis centers and imaging centers. After the contract was settled, census and volume never really returned to pre-strike levels.

      The second “unintended consequence” was the consolidation of hospitals into fewer “systems”. The ensuing four years after the 1984 strike saw the closure of MMC, the creation of Health East and the emergence of Allina as Health Central and HealthOne combined.

      Thirdly, the effects of the 1984 strike created resentment, friction between nurses and other hospital professionals and mistrust that have always lingered beneath the surface and have re-emerged in full force again today with the MNA’s manipulation and emotional tactics.

      Sadly, MNA has manipulated its members into the very same position as of today’s strike authorization vote. More “unintended consequences” will follow and no one will win. The MNA has adopted a decidedly untenable, unworkable, unfounded and ill-advised stance regarding rigid nurse-patient ratios. The negotiations will reach an impasse if the MNA persists in pushing this agenda. The hospitals will not negotiate on what is an essential and necessary management perogative such as staffing and internal operating procedures regarding diversions, closure to new admissions, etc. I sadly expect that there will be a strike if MNA does not relent on this wedge issue.

      • Posted by wildfox on June 21, 2010 at 11:36 pm

        I worked at MMC I loved that hospital! I still miss it. Everyone new each other and it was like a family. I still work with people who worked there too.

  103. Posted by Angie on June 21, 2010 at 11:35 pm

    Well said Tom, I think we all knew the outcome of this vote. Stay tuned everyone, stay strong, visit this site and fasten your seat belts…..

  104. Posted by Boynurse on June 21, 2010 at 11:38 pm

    I am glad to see I am not the only one with doubts about the strike. Thanks for creating this blog.

  105. Posted by drichmn on June 21, 2010 at 11:42 pm

    Just a reminder that this thread is getting unwieldy, please comment in one of the “latest posts”. Thank you.

  106. Posted by anotherview on June 22, 2010 at 7:52 pm

    Thanks for the great blog. As a non-nurse, I am very disheartened by what is occurring. The MNA facebook page makes me very sad and angry. I know how hard we all work and agree that nurses have a very difficult and sometimes thankless job. I have had several family members in the hospital on multiple occasions and we have always treasured the nurses who cared for them. It gives me hope that we will get through this and get back to doing what we are all here for – patients and families. I hope your voice touches all the nurses who feel the same.

  107. Posted by Linda on June 23, 2010 at 10:39 am

    Wow – this site is inspiring. I was getting so discouraged with the profession of nursing and specifically with MNA RN’s at ANW where I work. Just reading these comments gives me hope again. I coordinate the RN Satisfaction Survey at ANW and just 6 months ago we were celebrating how highly satisfied RN’s are at ANW. I have not been able to get my head around what has happened. No leadership change – still the great leadership we have had for the past 4-5 years. No change in patient ratios which by the way are better than the national average. I was posting on the MNABlog site but now seem to be banned from there. The more RN’s that really stand up for what they believe in for patient care, nursing profession, a real understanding of the current economy and respecful work place the more power you have to change this very fast moving MNA train that is, to me, clearly off the track. I applaud you for putting this site together. Obviously met a huge need.

    • Posted by drichmn on June 23, 2010 at 11:52 am

      I’m thinking of doing a new blog topic to highlight really interesting tidbits of information from various comment threads. I’m going to highlight the info in your comment about the ANW RN satisfaction survey. Maybe I’ll call the topic “food for thought” or something like that. That’s really interesting information. Thanks for sharing it.

  108. Posted by LoveMyJob on June 23, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    Following the MNA Facebook page for the past few weeks had me believing I was alone in my assessment that my nursing colleagues are being led off a cliff by the NNU with their national agenda. It is such a breath of fresh air to see the responses from nurses that have not lost their minds and are still exercising their critical thinking skills.

    Thanks to those with the wisdom to set up this forum! It’s fascinating to see the role that social media has played in this labor dispute. Who knows? Maybe this site can play an equalizing role in the discussion. Thanks again!!

    • You are welcome….watch the Sunday Star/Tribune for an article showing a different side to the nurses!

      • Posted by Anonymous on June 24, 2010 at 12:08 am

        Will look forward to that article anurse! Thanks for the heads-up. Wish the local media would publish articles about some (or many) of the details discussed here, as most the articles I’ve read aren’t very in depth about any of the issues surrounding the contracts.

        • Actually now that I have spoken to a Star/Trib reporter and they know this site was indeed started by an MNA nurse I believe they can use some of the information from this blog. It was a lengthy interview so not sure what/how much information will be in the article.

  109. Posted by integritynurse on June 24, 2010 at 12:17 am

    Just came from work at Childrens. We called a code on our floor tonite. Everyone flew into action like a well oiled machine and we had a good outcome. Our charge nurse was awesome as well as everyone who participated. Now I am certain that I will cross the picket line, because I don’t think the “rent-a -nurses” can do as good a job as we can. I’m now scared not to cross the line, and leave these precious children in the hands of nurses they don’t know and who don’t know them. God help us all!

    • For you I can see it is about the patients. I wish others could see that those of us who are planning on crossing the picket line it is not about not supporting the union…..we just don’t believe that striking is right for our patients and wish they would find another way…or negotiate!

  110. Posted by ilovemyjob on June 25, 2010 at 1:00 am

    I find the posts on this site so empowering. Whenever I feel I can’t go through with crossing, I come on here and regain some strength and insight about doing the right thing. I believe in my heart that leaving fragile patients and putting them at risk is ethically wrong and should not be allowed. I do not feel that labor unions should have the power to intimidate and mandate its members to take such huge risks with their jobs and by extension, their lives (especially in such a poor economy). Maybe I missed this from earler posts…but I was wondering if anyone has ideas of how to get this blog address into the hands of even more nurses. I think that many nurses are horrified by what’s happening. They read the facebook militia posts and become even more frightened by the tone. They feel their hands are tied and that their only option is to stand by the union…maybe this sight would give them the information they need to fully understand the other side of this. Maybe more would come to know what is truly at stake here and gain the courage to do something about it. Rigid staffing ratios are at the core of this standoff. It’s not the only answer for safety and should not be what sends us to the picket lines. Could this site address be given to the media for nurses to seek? Any other ideas?

    • Posted by drichmn on June 25, 2010 at 5:53 am

      We are glad to be here for you.

      A story is planned in the Strib for Sunday that will mention this website. That should help inform others. Also, email your friends. And certainly, word of mouth which is how others have heard about us up until now. Anybody brave enough to post the site email address on their FB or Twitter would help too.

    • Ilovemyjob, as of yesterday there have been almost 14,000 viewers of this site so I think the word is out….and this site was only created Saturday! But yes as drichmn stated the Sunday Tribune article is going to mention this blog address so that will put the blog out there for more to use…..so keep on sharing it with others!

  111. Posted by acsofs on June 25, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    Breakrooms usually have a board for posting important information. I will be posting copies of the info below, taken from posts by anurse and drichmn. Hope this is okay!

    Nurses and hospital staff who may not support the upcoming strike need a place to chat, ask questions, and receive information. One great resource is at:


    Please note that you will remain anonymous when reading or posting on this website. You do not need to include your email address or use your real name. Respectful input and information is welcomed.

    • acsofs, that is wonderful and we welcome anyone…non-nursing personnel are just as important and will be affected by this strike also…maybe even more as cuts will be made when this is done to ancillary staff. I fear for job losses for many of them as well as nurses when this is over.

    • Posted by drichmn on June 25, 2010 at 1:31 pm

      That looks good to me. Thanks for sharing the information.

  112. Posted by WhyIsItSo hard on June 25, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    I read somewhere that the 1984 strike kicked most LPN’s out of the hospitals. Is that true? I have only been in Mn since 90, I work in a health care related industry, but not in a hospital. I took a pay cut two years ago, several friends were laid off. Looking on from a (short) distance it does seem the union is being unreasonable. I am glad to find a place where I can read that there are still dedicated nurses out there. Best of luck to you.

    • I don’t remember if the strike had an effect on the LPN’s…although I am sure it did. I do know that MNA had an effect in recent years as they pushed to have more RN’s at the bedside…which pushed LPN’s out of the hospitals.

  113. Posted by wyzeguy on June 25, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    Can this string be shut and a new one started? This is getting way long.

    • Posted by drichmn on June 25, 2010 at 4:21 pm

      it is long. I have encouraged them to post in other ones which they primarily do but every now and then someone will post here.

  114. Posted by Anonymous on June 27, 2010 at 11:24 pm

    So many of us in dsagreement with the unions premise… What if they held a strike and no one showed up to picket?

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