Posted June 26, 2010 by drichmn in Strike. Tagged: MN Nurses, Nursing Strike. 171 Comments
Please share your thoughts, feelings, observations as we countdown toward a strike.
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Posted by Leyla on June 26, 2010 at 8:25 am
Whew. Just got off a night shift where I had the “overwhelming” patient load of 5 LOL. Somehow I managed to keep them all safe.
You know, I just might be able to get behind MNA a little bit, if I actually witnessed these awful ratios and understaffing they keep mentioning.
Once again I am so grateful for this website and the comments showing that I’m not alone in my disapproval of the MNA. Roughly 55% of membership voted for the strike, 10% voted against and 35% didn’t vote. I’m starting to think that chunk of 35% may have been too intimidated to vote, rather than thinking a strike was secure so they didn’t have to vote.
With all the hits this page is getting it might be interesting to set up some sort of poll to see just how many of us are willing to cross. Who knows, if the number is REALLY up there, maybe we could all organize to decertify MNA as well! I never thought a decertification would ever be possible, but I’m starting to dream.
Posted by nostrikefornurses on June 26, 2010 at 8:56 am
Leyla, glad you kept your patients safe! I agree I haven’t seen the poor staffing we are supposed to have at Children’s. I have had many family members ask me if it is really that bad…and I have to honestly answer them no it is not! I am dreaming beyond the strike also and seeing possibilities.
Posted by abbottnurse on June 26, 2010 at 3:03 pm
My understanding is that the contract at some hospitals, such as HCMC and St. Francis, is not being negotiated this year. I think that the 35% who did not vote were the MNA members whose contracts are not being negotiated this year. Therefore, they could not vote on Monday.
Posted by nostrikefornurses on June 26, 2010 at 3:24 pm
I believe the 35% of nurses who did not vote is of the 12,000 whose contract is up now. MNA has 20,000 members in MN….of which 8,000 of those nurses contracts are not up right now.
Posted by MNChildrensNurse on June 26, 2010 at 8:14 pm
i don’t think HCMC is a contract hospital being that it is county.
Posted by nostrikefornurses on June 26, 2010 at 8:21 pm
There are still a contract hospital but have only become one more recently so their contract is not out the same time as ours…and I believe since they are a county hospital they do have a no strike clause.
Posted by dragonfly on June 27, 2010 at 12:05 am
I can verify HCMC does have a “No Strike Clause” in their contract. I believe they are classified as “essential” . I wish we all had that clause. We are all essential to our patient’s well-being and safety. This whole thing makes me 😦
Posted by dovewriter on June 27, 2010 at 12:18 am
I’m an HCMC nurse. We are actually no longer “county” anymore. We privatized Jan 2007, essentially the hospital bought itself. We remain heavily subsidized by the county and if the hospital fails, at some point there is a clause that the county will have to take it back over. We only became part of the union around two years ago, our contract is on a different timetable than everyone else’s. Also, supposedly there is a “no-strike” clause in our contract though there’s been debate that since we’re no longer “county” it may be up for discussion for the next bargaining negotiation.
Just want you all to know, that tonight at a party, I stuck up for the non-striking nurses to a bunch of other nurses and was mostly torn to pieces. Told me I was acquiescing to management. I support you guys, please support me if I’m ever in your shoes.
Posted by drichmn on June 27, 2010 at 12:25 am
thanks for your support. I would support any nurse who made the decision to not strike. Take a lesson from what is happening here.
Posted by nostrikefornurses on June 27, 2010 at 8:53 am
Thanks for standing up for us….as we will for you!
Posted by Pharmiegirlie on June 27, 2010 at 12:38 pm
HCMC nurses are represented by the MNA, but obviously not part of the strike because last year they negotiated a two year “HCMC/MNA collective bargaining agreement” which does not expire for another year. Also HCMC employees are covered by the public sector law, which means all HCMC employees are considered “essential employees” who by law cannot strike. Per email from our chief nursing officer…
Posted by quiltmom on June 27, 2010 at 3:55 am
I like your thinking. We need to get reconnected with ANA, the real professional organization that represents nurses and patients.
Posted by nostrikefornurses on June 27, 2010 at 8:48 am
I agree and this may be our opportunity!
Posted by JoJo on June 26, 2010 at 9:35 am
Well sign me up on the list for crossing the picket line! I am so fed up with the crap that MNA is feeding to it members. It has been 1 lie after another. I have my letter written to resign my membership. I do worry about my fellow co-workers who are so tied up in it, I feel like they may loose so much in the end but they are just to blind to see it now. YOU are not gaurenteed your job back people!
Posted by drichmn on June 26, 2010 at 9:59 am
If you ever have any questions about crossing please let us know. We are here to support you.
Posted by nostrikefornurses on June 27, 2010 at 4:03 pm
I know I am doing what I must do….but I am sad that so many are taken in by what MNA is telling them…and I am sad that some very good nurses who are swept up in all this will be out there picketing and may not have a job when this is done. An interesting comment someone made at work: Children’s, although we do have excellent staffing, has to strike because the President of the MNA (Linda Hamilton) is one of our nurses so it wouldn’t look good for the union for Children’s not to strike.
Posted by dragonfly on June 26, 2010 at 10:02 am
I am hearing there are more and more thinking of crossing at our hospital. We are talking of trying to network before the potential strike so we know how many of us there are and can support each other. I think there may be many more who are afraid but in their gut do not really support the “MNA’s mission” We just need to let them know they are not alone in their thoughts and there are others who think like them and we will not let fear drive us into submission.
Posted by drichmn on June 26, 2010 at 11:04 am
anurse and I can put our heads together and see if we can figure out how to help you network.
Posted by MNChildrensNurse on June 26, 2010 at 11:22 am
count me in!!! I am willing to be known here.
Posted by KIDSRN2 on June 26, 2010 at 1:55 pm
I was thinking there were a handful of us who didn’t support the “Mission” I am actually glad to see so many like/right minded people here!! i hope there are many,many of us from this facility who want to work. I will need and give support!!
Posted by nostrikefornurses on June 26, 2010 at 2:13 pm
We will be there together!!
Posted by anurse20 on June 26, 2010 at 10:27 am
This is taken straight from the NNU website…….
“At its initial meeting, the NNU board promised to move quickly on an ambitious agenda of organizing non-union RNs across the nation”
What the heck do you think that means? Their main goal is to nationalize all nurses into one “super union”.
See what I have been saying all along this is so much bigger then MNA. It has nothing to do with our staffing in Mn. We are being used, why do so many smart nurses not see this???
Posted by KIDSRN2 on June 26, 2010 at 2:02 pm
this smart nurse tried to pass on this message and basically got shouted down.The AFL-CIO (NNU) has been thrown out of so many venues, that they came after Health care and MNA (foolishly) believed they would help. They didn’t do their homework and now we are the sacrifical lamb being led to slaughter.
Posted by nostrikefornurses on June 26, 2010 at 3:06 pm
Everyone is not thinking for themself.
Posted by anurse20 on June 26, 2010 at 4:18 pm
Did MNA just fire ANA and hire NNU? Why did we not have a say in this? I feel if anything is a ULP that should be high on the list! We pay them to represent us so how could they change without members having a say. I believe that if we still had the ANA we would not be in this mess.
Posted by nostrikefornurses on June 26, 2010 at 4:57 pm
Yes the MNA left the ANA sometime during these last 3 years since our last contract negotiations and from what I read the MNA actually helped start the NNU in California.
Posted by Linda on June 26, 2010 at 11:23 am
I am so saddened by what MNA is doing to the profession of nursing, to each individual that proudly holds the title of RN, for hospitals who are being financially devastated, for patients and families who are losing trust in the care they need in the most vulnerable times in their lives and the relationships that are being torn apart. I am thrilled, excited and HOPEFUL because of this site and ALL of the truly professional RN’s who are posting reality, values and beliefs that will help to bring all the loses above back to health care and the lives we are responsible to care for in a healing and respectful environment. Thank you all for being a part of a GREATER GOOD. There will be more pain ahead but do not give in. As I shared with a nurse who crossed the line on June 10th: darkness is gone in the light. YOU ALL ARE LIGHT. Shine brightly together. I will help in any way I can to carry this message. YOU ALL are what makes me so proud to be a nurse. I am so proud to be an RN at Abbott Northwestern. I am so happy to hear that others are proud of their hospitals too.
Posted by lovenursing on June 26, 2010 at 1:54 pm
linda. i work at abbott and so appreciate your comments, i am so disheartened by how MNA is turning nurses into followers without doing the research that we are bound to do as professionals. All of us on this site have researched what the truth is, because we see how it is in our hospitals and it doesn’t match what we see on the floors. I love my job just as much as when i started 25 years ago! I have always been treated well and I dont know how nurses do not see what NNU and MNA are trying to do to us…. I love our leaders and sad of all the hate talk that is thrown at them. There is a growing number of nurses that are crossing because of this disbelief and love for their patients and hospital. We are searching for a way to support each other.
Posted by nostrikefornurses on June 26, 2010 at 2:23 pm
lovenursing, I too cannot figure out where some of the nurses are working when they talk about disrespect etc from management where they work. I have always felt management has held nursing in high regards at Children’s. I was saddened by the resignation of our CNO Ginger Malone, as over her 10 years at Children’s she has created a culture of the Magnet status we had achieved and were all so proud of. I started this blog a couple days after hearing of her resignation because I wanted people to know that there are many of us who are proud of the hospital we work at and that Ginger Malone helped create an atmosphere in which there are many nurses who have and are continuing their education into advanced degrees. I wanted her to leave knowing that there are some of us who appreciate everything she has done for nurses and that many of us still have a special place in our hearts for Children’s.
Posted by lovenursing on June 26, 2010 at 3:41 pm
nostrikefornursing, i was truly saddened to hear that Ginger was leaving, i worked with her at Abbott and you are very lucky to have her. She was such an advocate of professional nursing with such a kind heart. I too am very proud of our Magnet status, its too bad that nurses don’t realize that the ANCC and ANA are organizations they should be aligning with, not MNA.
Posted by nostrikefornurses on June 26, 2010 at 2:59 pm
We are proud and by the comments and views this site has gotten in the last week I have realized that I am not alone! A week ago today I started this blog as a chat room for a few friends to discuss issues and our distaste for the strike….but it has been viewed over 20,000 times! That should give us all strength!
Posted by anurse20 on June 26, 2010 at 4:20 pm
This is what we wanted back a week ago…. Thank you for making it a wecoming and inspiring place.
Posted by followingmyheart on June 26, 2010 at 9:29 pm
Thank you so much for starting this site. From the beginning I have felt it is morally and ethically wrong for nurses to strike. To me a strike means patient abandonment. What is even worse is that those patients might be my family, neighbors or friends because I work in a community based hospital. It is so encouraging to know there are still nurses out there who really care about patient care. It angers me to see the “MNA We Care About You” signs, stickers and buttons when it really is about selfish greediness and union agenda. The department I work in is staffed well. Unfortunately even a well staffed unit can be inefficient at times because of the skills of the nurses working. I describe nurses as “A” team and “B” team. “A” team nurses know how to organize their work well, can kick into high gear when needed and know how to prioritize work to get the most important things done when we are busy. “B” team nurses generally have only speed of work, lack good critical thinking skills and have poor organizational skills and complain about how we don’t have enough staff. I work at Mercy and am sad to see how the co-workers that I care about are being led like dumb sheep to slaughter. I have tried repeatedly to start conversations trying to compare what both sides are saying and what the consequences will be. I have asked multiple co-workers where they were when the strike happened in 1984. Most weren’t even nurses then. They have no idea what the true consequences will be. They could go for weeks without pay and in the end not even have a job to come back to. Even if they do have a job to come back to , they may not be in the same department . Many really believe that the union won’t let that happen to them. They believe everything the union is saying to them. I can’t believe that these intelligent nurses have bought the union line completely. I thank you once again for starting this site. I hope this will give courageto the nurses sitting on the fence to do what is truely right — to cross the line and really care about patients. Following My Heart at Mercy
Posted by drichmn on June 26, 2010 at 10:01 pm
Thank you for coming to the blog and sharing your comments. We are here to support you and answer any questions that you have. And thank you for putting your patients first.
Posted by nostrikefornurses on June 27, 2010 at 9:00 am
It has been wonderful to hear of all the support we really do have!
Posted by wyzeguy on June 26, 2010 at 12:25 pm
My wife works at an allina faccility. She brought home some union propaganda that seemed to indicate that staffing issues may be from mercy and unity. I know that abbott seems less than enamoured with Paulus (sp?). Not really sure what the beef is with Children’s as the nurses I have heard from think the staffing is good. Threre is a lot of speculation on what ‘may’ happen in the future. The union seems to have driven fear into their members by what ‘may’ happen but is not happening right now. Can anone provide information on the other bargaining units?
Posted by KIDSRN2 on June 26, 2010 at 1:41 pm
I think you hit it on the head majority of Childrens RNs feel staffing is fine but at least 2 of our negoitators are less than .5 I think they have trouble figuring it out because they DON’T work enough to know the difference btwn busy and unsafe. There are nurses who know we are safe still go on and on about “solidarity” it makes me sick. many nurses are saying quietly that there should be concessions on many items but so far it falls on deaf ears so who are they working for? Themselves it appears.
Posted by nostrikefornurses on June 26, 2010 at 2:37 pm
I wish more nurses would read the staffing proposal to realize the ratios we are striking for do not even apply to us at Children’s….we are already better than that!
Posted by 30 years a nurse on June 26, 2010 at 4:53 pm
Yeah, well have you at Children’s seen the bully tactics during the day that the nurse manager uses to tell the charge that they don’t need certain patients 1:1????
Posted by nostrikefornurses on June 26, 2010 at 5:20 pm
And is this something that happens every day or something the MNA proposals will help?
Posted by drichmn on June 26, 2010 at 5:40 pm
Exactly. If you have an issue with coworkers or managers a fixed ratio nor anything in the contract will change that. And if it’s about the staffing grid then take it up the chain of command and go to your patient care committee. Nothing ever will change in any situation if you only complain about it but don’t do anything about it. Take a leadership role in escalating the issue to get it resolved.
Posted by nostrikefornurses on June 26, 2010 at 5:56 pm
You are so right….these staffing issues/ratios are things that should be handled by a committee made up of nurses and management not something that should be at the negotiation table.
Posted by MNChildrensNurse on June 27, 2010 at 1:55 am
I work at Children’s and I have not seen this. I have seen my nurse manager sit on the phone calling staff for overtime when we have admissions, or are short staffed. I myself have been called by her at my home.
Posted by rndmcrzyktty on June 26, 2010 at 5:51 pm
How on earth did nurses who work a 0.5 get into the position of being on the negotiation team? I would think they would want nurses who work more and are more familar with the day to day happenings to be on that team?
Posted by nostrikefornurses on June 26, 2010 at 5:58 pm
I am under the assumption we somehow elected them?
Posted by Kidsnurse on June 26, 2010 at 10:45 pm
I have said from the start we are all “PAWNS” in this national agenda with the NNU and MNA. Do any of you remember when all this started it was all about the pension? All the fliers were about the pension and then in a few weeks it changed and then it was all about staffing. I believe MNA changed it’s agenda so that it could classify this strike a ULP because we wouldn’t have a leg to stand on. I also firmly believe that MNA did nothing last Thursday because MNA/NNU wants to strike. I say if that happens then all the people at NNU/MNA shouldn’t get paid as well.
Posted by zzzzzzx6 on June 26, 2010 at 2:25 pm
First, in the interest of full disclosure, I am not a nurse, at this time. I am retired. And, my bride is the director (and nurse) for one of the service lines at one of the hospitals affected by the negotiations.
Second, I have been “at the negotiating table” as both a clinician and as management in both union shops and in non-union shops. (I believe clinicians and management informally negotiate in non-union shops, to properly balance clinical and business needs.)
My experience (career) with these matters is as follows. I graduated high school, took a job as an aide, and enrolled in LPN training. Took a job as an LPN and enrolled in a baccalaureate program. Took a job as an RN and enrolled in an MSN program. Took a job as a nursing director (not CNO) and enrolled in an MBA program. Took a job as a COO. Took a job as a CEO. Roughly, a third of my career has been as a clinician, a third in middle management, and a third in senior administration. My last two appointments were as a CEO: one at a 300+ doc medical group and one at a 435 bed teaching hospital.
Wyzeguy accurately notes there is much speculation on what may happen. And, there are any number of ways this may play out and eventually conclude.
I will venture a predication. (And see later if it has any merit.)
There will not be a settlement in advance of the strike date issued. The union will then strike. The hospitals will cover a reduced load with agency nurses. The hospital will “resize” the community by reducing and/or eliminating any unneccessary programs and/or capacity. MNA nurses who cross (only on the first day) will be welcomed. MNA nurses who do not cross will be locked out. The National Labor Relations Board will rule the hospitals did not engaged in unfair labor practices. As well, they will rule the strike is an economic strike. At that point, the hospitals will begin hiring permanent replacements and start rebuilding their volumes as staffing allows. The MNA membership will make a decision as to whether or not to decertify the union. If MNA is not decertified, they will continue to represent the membership. If MNA is decertified, the former membership will be represented by a different union. Negotiations between the hospitals and either MNA or a different union will begin. The “starting point” will be the work rules, terms, wages, and benefits existing between the hospitals and the replacement staff and not the former hospitals/MNA bargaining agreeement.
This is all based on the current positons, tactics, dynamics and relationship between MNA and the hospitals.
We’ll see what happens. I hope to be wrong.
Posted by nostrikefornurses on June 26, 2010 at 3:28 pm
Thank you so much for you prediction. It makes it real for those of us who do not support the strike to see the possible ramifications nurses could face by going on strike. I believe MNA will have a hard time proving this to be an ULP strike. This will cause much damage to many. The cost it too high.
Posted by nostrikefornurses on June 26, 2010 at 3:44 pm
A question for you zzzzzzx6, what other union options do the nurses have? Just looking for options as this progresses. Appreciate any insight you can share with us.
Posted by zzzzzzx6 on June 26, 2010 at 7:46 pm
I’m not aware of other local options that currently exist. (There may be another one, but I doubt it.) A new local could be formed by former MNA nurses (and anyone else who wants to participate.) And MNA could reconfigure itself into a union that is new from a legal perspective. Also, MNA could continue to represent nurses with different leadership executing a different approach. Other out of state nursing unions could make an application to the state to expand into the state, as well as wherever they currently are authorized. And, the national union (is it NNA?) could also represent the nurses. There may be other possibilities, but these are the ones that come to mind.
Posted by nostrikefornurses on June 26, 2010 at 7:52 pm
Thanks, we will explore options in the days ahead!
Posted by drichmn on June 26, 2010 at 4:44 pm
I agree with most of what you say. The areas that I differ are that I don’t think they will lock out nurses right away. They will give some time for those wavering, a week or two, by then the die will be cast. MNA will lose a sizeable number of members and dump NNU and go back to ANA to rebuild trust and lure the former members back with a bigger focus on the professional aspects of nursing and collaborative practice. I agree that some of the smaller hospitals will close, like Unity or Mercy and North may be taken over by one of the bigger systems like Fairview or Allina. I predict Fairview because they already have a relationship with them in Maple Grove. I think it will take years before NLRB ever gets around to ruling because of the political climate.
Posted by Steaming on June 26, 2010 at 7:38 pm
Allina already owns Unity and Mercy. I believe North is in real trouble. They are very financially unhealthy. Sad.
Posted by ConcernedNurse on June 26, 2010 at 9:12 pm
Agreed. As an *almost* former NMMC RN, I worry about the hospital’s future.
Posted by Kidsnurse on June 26, 2010 at 10:52 pm
I have an inkling that we may get locked out 7/1. Why would the hospitals pay for our insurance benefitss if they know we are walking out 6 days later?
Posted by drichmn on June 26, 2010 at 11:19 pm
I highly doubt they will lock you out before the strike starts. Please, let’s not get carried away here.
Posted by zzzzzzx6 on June 26, 2010 at 8:13 pm
I’m not sure how quick the hospitals will move to a lockout (as, of course, I’m not sure about any of it.) I hope they allow the couple of weeks you reference. That may very well be smarter than an immediate lock out. I imagine they will have pre-determined a cost point at which they will leave it open or lock it out, depending on their tolerance for paying the compound costs associated with the returning nurses and the agency nurses. I imagine they will take as liberal a position as they can with the cost question. And they may be willing to deal with the difficulty of staffing on a day to day basis, trying to accomodate a “trickle” effect.
Yes, the resizing could indeed be deep enough to see mergers or outright closings. I think the latter will be very quick. (If you have an extra hospital, why keep it open? You’ve already been struck.)
And I agree it may take as much as an extended period of time for the NLRB to make a ruling. But, the ruling does not necessarily need to proceed the lockout. The hospitals will need to make a risk decision balancing an immediate (or couple of week) lockout against waiting for the NLRB to rule, thereby eliminating the risk. I just don’t see the hospitals waiting for the NLRB.
Posted by zzzzzzx6 on June 26, 2010 at 8:14 pm
BTW – thanks for the clarification about NNU and ANA. Most helpful.
Posted by Angie on June 26, 2010 at 5:45 pm
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and insights!
Posted by RN4ptcare on June 26, 2010 at 6:12 pm
First off thank you for your insight and prediction. Someone like you who has a wealth of experience could be a big help to nurses like me. As a new nurse who love his job, loves his patients, and love his employer (Children’s) I would like to exactly what a service line is, and I appreciate your insight again!
Posted by nostrikefornurses on June 26, 2010 at 8:05 pm
RN4ptcare, I am so glad you love your job and hope you continue to see that our employer is not the bad guy MNA makes them out to be. I feel if I respect them they will respect me also. I hear nurses talking about how awful we are treated….and I have to ask, Where do you work? Really Children’s is a fantastic place to work….and we provide safe, excellent care!
Posted by MNChildrensNurse on June 27, 2010 at 2:02 am
I have always told everybody I love my job at Children’s. It is a fantastic place to work. I just hope that our hospitals and our patients survive this, and we come back even stronger than before. I do not believe that the MNA put any thought whatsoever into the ramifications of their decision.
Posted by zzzzzzx6 on June 26, 2010 at 8:23 pm
A service line is simply a collection of services that have commonality. Examples might be surgical services or critical care services or oncology services. There are a thousand different variations around the country, simply dependent on how the individual hospitals choose to organize themselves. As well, the same service lines have different names for the very same services. In one hospital it might be “Orthopedics” while at another it might be “Bone and Joint.”
Hope this helps.
Posted by quiltmom on June 27, 2010 at 4:15 am
Z 6 –
I think your words are prophetic and right on the money. As an Allina RN for 16 years, working at 4 different Allina hospitals(currently at Abbott), at the bedside and in management, I feel my view of what is going on is broad and “big picture.” Your assessment states the situation well. Any further suggestions for this group of nurses on how to procede in recapturing nursing in MN would be greatly appreciated.
Posted by integritynurse on June 26, 2010 at 12:33 pm
Thank you D for the countdown. I am counting down to the day I cross the line and begin fulfilling my God-given responsibility of taking care of the patients who have been abandoned. I sleep better at night knowing that I will be in the hospital working. My goal is to help the replacement nurses to “get their bearings” so to speak, and after a few days, I hope it will be business as usual. If the strike goes on and on, well so be it. This is a choice MNA has made. They could have chosen to hang in there and keep trying to bargain, but THEY called it (how predictable), so now they will have to live with the consequences of their actions.
Posted by anurse20 on June 26, 2010 at 12:43 pm
Is this so bad to say but with the big MNA supporters in my unit on strike. I really welcome a break from all the strike talk and drama. I agree after a few days it will business as usual. I am lucky though because all of my close friends are crossing. We will all be OK!! I am so thankful that there are replacement nurses….Where would we be without them 3 nurses and a manager trying to hold down a busy unit….UGGGGH.
Posted by nostrikefornurses on June 26, 2010 at 2:42 pm
I think too once we are in the hospital things will be fine and we will get the replacement nurses orientated and we can enjoy a less hostile atmosphere.
Posted by Anonymous on June 26, 2010 at 10:44 pm
I totally agree with you about getting rid of some of these whiners!! I welcome some cutting of “fat”. Maybe this will be good and get rid of some slugs who really don’t “care” for their patients. What a great website! I have been feeling so down at work with all the rabid “strikers”, I actually will welcome them walking the picket line. Thank You all for your comments. I’m not alone!!! I’m feeling so much better about crossing now!
Posted by MNChildrensNurse on June 27, 2010 at 2:03 am
Posted by nostrikefornurses on June 26, 2010 at 2:43 pm
AMEN! I will see you at work during the strike!!
Posted by microage97 on June 26, 2010 at 12:57 pm
Can I counter picket?
Posted by zzzzzzx6 on June 26, 2010 at 1:35 pm
I can’t speak to the issue of saftey or eventual retaliation, but you certainly have the perrogative to counter picket.
Posted by anurse20 on June 26, 2010 at 4:23 pm
Let sleeping dogs lie….Just go to work do your job, help the replacements fit in. Lets all agree not to fan the flames And to keep our patients and ourselves safe.
Posted by nostrikefornurses on June 26, 2010 at 4:59 pm
If we help the replacement nurses along we will continue to provide safe, excellent care so this has minimal effect on the patients.
Posted by MNChildrensNurse on June 27, 2010 at 2:04 am
yes–we do not want to stoop to the level of MNA. Let’s just continue to show our professionalism and make our hospitals proud!!!!
Posted by TJMJJJNJ on June 26, 2010 at 1:52 pm
First off a fantastic blog. I commend all involved in its creation and those that have submitted. A little background on me, I work as a Tech in an ED in one of the 14 hospitals and I actually just graduated with my BS in nursing and am taking the big test next week. The place I work is split down the middle on the strike unfortunately those opposed don’t dare speak except behind closed doors. I not technically being a nurse yet have been labeled anti union because of certain questions I have asked such as: Why hatred vs. replacement nurses and those that cross if its for patient safety, those nurses should be valued and seen as equals? or How can MNA nurses that served as replacement nurses for the Temple strike have such aggressive feelings vs. replacements for their strike? When I first started school there was no other place I wanted to work then where I already was, but now I want to go anywhere but there. The hypocritical nature of the slogan “its for the patient’s safety” as the nurse ignores me when I tell them the patient in 5 is having chest pain and SOB because said nurse is updating the MNA FB page or fanning the flames for strike with other nurses just makes me sick. Anyways sorry for the rant, keep up the great work to all involved with this blog its the only place I go for updates on anything since its creation. You men and woman have reinstalled hope in my feelings of becoming a nurse, I am actually excited again. THANK YOU.
Posted by nostrikefornurses on June 26, 2010 at 2:09 pm
Glad we can restore some faith in our profession! A thought I had at times that I, too, wanted to find another job as I thought Children’s is not really the great place I thought it was. I revisited that thought and realized it still is that great place that so many wonderful people have worked so hard to build, some are just seeing and thinking what others have told them.
Posted by anurse20 on June 26, 2010 at 4:24 pm
Good luck on your boards. Sorry that you have to be a new grad in this enviornment. This to shall pass.
Posted by RN4ptcare on June 26, 2010 at 7:44 pm
Good luck on your board exam! You will truly be proud to have those initials by your name as I am. Good luck to you 🙂
Posted by zzzzzzx6 on June 26, 2010 at 8:28 pm
Wishing you well for the exam.
Posted by Anonymous on June 26, 2010 at 2:09 pm
TJM- Facebook is not accessible via hospital computer it is filtered out. Making comments like that does not help. I have rarely seen nurses with anything but hospital related material on computers, although it is rare I make to the medical floors. ED nurses are always working for sure. From what I know of staffing at Mercy, never heard of any “unsafe” ratios or nurses being over extended.
Posted by SaneRN on June 26, 2010 at 3:20 pm
Anonymous-I work for Allina, and the nurses have figured out how to bypass the block on Facebook–I think they add an “s” on the end of the http. At our facility, we have seen nurses on many sites including Facebook, financial sites, and many others–so don’t be too hard on TMJ!! This is such a great place to find support and encouragement, I would hate to see the attitude changed by misunderstandings!
Posted by nostrikefornurses on June 26, 2010 at 3:22 pm
I know too that the younger more savvy crowd bypasses the block at Children’s also.
Posted by peacebringer on June 27, 2010 at 12:31 am
https is now blocked as well, it was open for awhile but now filtered, been that way for about 4 months now.
Posted by MNChildrensNurse on June 27, 2010 at 2:10 am
Many of my coworkers play games on the computers at work at site called poodwaddle.com. I walked into work one morning and the first three computers I walked past had this site up and games running. I haven’t seen anybody on FB in a while though at Children’s but do see plenty of people on ebay and craigslist as well. I also see my coworkers texting on their cell phones even though I work in a unit where all cell phones are supposed to be turned off. All this is just to say that there is plenty of inappropriate computer use in my unit.
Posted by drichmn on June 27, 2010 at 7:19 am
You can email your IT department and request that those sites are blocked from computer access. I’m actually surprised they haven’t locked down computers. They did so a couple of years ago where I work because of a rash of computer viruses from people downloading things on work computers.
Posted by Pharmiegirlie on June 27, 2010 at 12:53 pm
It’s not genius work you guys. All you have to do is have a smartphone (or iPhone or whateve), and NOT log onto the hospitals wifi. Check my fb all the time at work during breaks and lunch. I’m just smart enough not to post during my work hours so they can accuse me of not working.
Posted by drichmn on June 27, 2010 at 1:05 pm
thanks for the tip. Didn’t think of that. I suppose if a hospital has a guest network one could use that as well.
Posted by Anonymous on June 27, 2010 at 2:29 pm
True there could be posting from cell phones, but that is different than what TMJ was commenting on. The “internet” stuff or even phone stuff would not be a big deal if it does not interfere with patient care and only occurs on down time. No need to degrade nurse by an large who do there job. That is simply engaging in attack-defend type responses. I am sure overnight nurses have downtime where online time is fine. On the other hand, if they are texting, spending time on FB, or simply chatting in leiu of patient care that is another story. Also pretty sure in terms of cell phone reception it is spotty.
However, if nurses have down time enough to be able to internet surf then clearly it indicates that there is no “over-assinging” and lack of safe staffing. No, someone could not really use the “guest” wifi, since if involves checking in with the hospital and getting a guest account.
Really I see no point in “degrading nurses” on either end. Recognize the majority are simply swayed by a persuasive minority that are in control. Both sides here have an agenda and the nurses are caught picking agenda or stuck in the middle. Thus I believe the significant “no vote.” At any rate, stick with the issues at hand regarding safe staffing but do not degrade others at any level.
Posted by nostrikefornurses on June 27, 2010 at 3:21 pm
Thank you….the big issue for us on this blog is to avoid a strike…we are not here to do performance evals.
Posted by drichmn on June 27, 2010 at 4:04 pm
You don’t actually need a “guest” account, you only need to know what the user id and password is for the guest network and nurses and others provide that information. At least where I work.
If anyone does see surfing going on when it shouldn’t it’s very easy to just contact IT and ask that those sites be blocked. Problem solved.
Posted by Anonymous on June 27, 2010 at 4:20 pm
did not know that, would be sad if did that, but by and large I believe most nurses are professional and care for patients. I think comments about “internet” really degarding and kind of stuff find on the MNA facebook page. Issue is about nurses feeling safe to cross and how strike will impact all of us hospital employees as a whole.
Posted by drichmn on June 27, 2010 at 4:35 pm
I don’t find it degrading at all. If in fact that is happening then individuals need to simply ask to have the sites blocked by emailing IT. My employer locked down computers several years ago for this very reason. It is not an uncommon occurrence in any place of employment. This is a place to share concerns and get ideas on what can be done. I think it’s a legitimate concern and hopefully my advice will be taken on how to stop it.
Posted by Angie on June 26, 2010 at 2:16 pm
I also am planning to cross on the 6th! I work at North and so far on my unit, there are only 2 of us that have committed to crossing which does concern me a little, although there are more hospital wide. I have spoken with other colleagues that are “on the fence” and they too are thinking of crossing, but feel intimidated and worried what the “militant” will think. I’ve given them all this blog website and I hope and pray more will come to decide that truly, patients come first!
Posted by nostrikefornurses on June 26, 2010 at 3:34 pm
I mentioned to someone a short time ago that those who are “militant” may not be coming back in to work with us if the NLRB rules this not to be an ULP strike! Our continued support!
Posted by LoveMyJob on June 26, 2010 at 4:15 pm
Angie- I agree with nostrikefornurses! Let’s hope for the best possible outcome, which would be for the “militants” to be freed from their “oppressive” working conditions. Imagine!
As a non-contract RN (not managaement) I’ll be crossing but its, of course, an easier decision for me. I look forward to working along side my courageous sisters and brothers that choose to cross!
Posted by Angie on June 26, 2010 at 6:04 pm
Thanks for the support..we’re all in this together!
Posted by Steaming on June 26, 2010 at 8:48 pm
I adore North and had a very good career there. Many of my dear friends still work there and a few of my friends are in non contract positions. They will all be there by your side on July 6th. You rock sister RN and care for patients daily not just when convenient. Hold your head high baby!!!
Posted by Angie on June 26, 2010 at 11:05 pm
“Steaming” Back at you!!! 🙂
Posted by RN4ptcare on June 26, 2010 at 4:24 pm
This site is amazing! It’s nice to know you actually have a voice That you won’t be critized for having. I hope there are more nurses out there who know what the union is up to, and that have the courage to speak up. I can’t tell you how proud I am to be a RN and to work for Children’s Hospital. It’s nice to know I’m not alone in thinking of crossing for pt care!
Posted by nostrikefornurses on June 26, 2010 at 5:01 pm
I also am a proud nurse for Children’s….I am not sure when that changed in this last year or 2 for others but am glad we are speaking up!
Posted by nostrikefornurses on June 26, 2010 at 8:10 pm
Many of us will be there with you…you do have a voice and a right to your own opinion…something I am unwilling to give up! glad we can offer support!
Posted by kidsrt on June 26, 2010 at 10:15 pm
As a coworker at kids I will gladly support you and the replacement nurses in any way I can. I’m glad to see some of you will be crossing, the current climate is very tense with the militant ones and once they are on the picket line things will be better for all.
Posted by nostrikefornurses on June 27, 2010 at 8:57 am
I have thought the same thing.
Posted by integritynurse on June 26, 2010 at 9:50 pm
You are definitely not alone. We will all stand together. We nurses at Childrens know that we have some of the best staffing in the nation. We have magnet status. What are we striking for? It’s crazy.
Hang in there and don’t be intimidated by threats that you may hear. If you work, you will be rewarded now, and in the future. Right is on your side. You will sleep well at night because you did the right thing.
Posted by NoncontractRN on June 26, 2010 at 6:17 pm
You are all FANTASTIC and make me proud to be an RN.. I dont envy the tough choices you have but Im in total agreement with crossing..If I was a contract nurse…I would too…Some things you do just because its the right thing to do…I cannot put myself in the same category as the nurses on the facebook site bashing even their own colleagues if they dare question anything…its very disturbing.
I will be happy to wear the green dot to support you all!
Posted by nostrikefornurses on June 26, 2010 at 6:20 pm
Thank you….for many of us it is not about the issues….it is about caring for our patients and believing striking is not the answer!
Posted by drichmn on June 26, 2010 at 6:30 pm
Thanks. It will be heartwarming to see all the dots.
Posted by Steaming on June 26, 2010 at 7:40 pm
Just a thought. Consider counting the count down backwards. June 10th was day Zero for the leadership team. So, today will be day 10. That will match how it is counted at work. 🙂
Posted by drichmn on June 26, 2010 at 7:41 pm
Sounds good to me. 🙂
Posted by Steaming on June 26, 2010 at 8:57 pm
Thanks. Now I won’t be confused. 🙂 And you rock for helping make this blog so wonderful. I wrote you a note under another section about z x 6 info about lock out.
Posted by drichmn on June 26, 2010 at 9:35 pm
got it and replied. And thanks for the kind words. Since I know this has become a source of information for people I want to be as accurate and timely as possible. It’s fairly time consuming but it’s what I can do to support those of you who haven’t been able to get your questions answered.
Posted by RelocatedRN on June 26, 2010 at 6:33 pm
I have a question regarding the staffing agencies for strikes. Does anyone know of any others that will be staffing other then Healthresource? I have been reading some not so good things about that company and was looking for some other options…
Posted by Replacement nurse who cares on June 26, 2010 at 7:10 pm
fastaff,us nursing and http://www.ornursesinc.com are some other companies who are staffing strike.
Posted by Not A Union Fan RN on June 26, 2010 at 7:28 pm
Fastaff is travel staffing company……US Nursing is Fastaff’s strike division….they are the ones that strictly staff strikes. Also, On Assignment is supposed to be staffing it besides Health Source Global.
Posted by anotherview on June 26, 2010 at 7:57 pm
Nursefinders uses On Assignement and Traveling Nurse Service (TNS). They were awesome. Allina has a great on-boarding process for all their hospitals.
Posted by dovewriter on June 27, 2010 at 12:35 am
I was a travel nurse for three years (never worked a strike however), but I worked with Fastaff and they were AWESOME! Consider going with them. I also liked TravelMax/Maxim Healthcare if they are doing contracts. Nursefinders is local (in Bloomington) and they may be doing contracts as well.
Posted by MNChildrensNurse on June 27, 2010 at 2:15 am
On the health source global forum it sounds as if nurses that worked the strike have not yet received paychecks, so I would really not go with them. I have heard for several years that they are not trustworthy. I would look at Fastaff if it were me.
Posted by drichmn on June 26, 2010 at 7:32 pm
also try Nursefinders. This one was recommended by another commenter here.
Posted by RelocatedRN on June 26, 2010 at 7:35 pm
Thanks for all the recomendations. I have applied at all fo them I think haha. I was looking at Nursefinders first as just an agency job but if they staff for the strike even better. I was reading a message board about Healthsource and was reading how many nurses had to wait in lines for over 9 hours to verify information and some nurses still have not been paid when they were promised the checks at 7 am on the 11th. Then nurses from other strikes had nothing good to say either so I am trying to figure out who is most reliable and had a good rapport with nurses…
Posted by Steaming on June 26, 2010 at 7:42 pm
Use Nurse Finders. You will have a very smooth process. They worked out great for June 10th. I know the Hospitals have an established relationship with them as well.
Posted by Non-RN on June 26, 2010 at 7:25 pm
My coworker and I are thinking we should have some yard signs of our own printed up… “I support the nurses who work July 6…”
Posted by Steaming on June 26, 2010 at 7:51 pm
I would love one too. Here is what mine would say.” While those Nurses who care for you are gone, We actually care for you.” I have to really behave myself because those yard signs are making me want to rip them out. 🙂
Posted by nostrikefornurses on June 26, 2010 at 8:18 pm
Some of you should go into advertising with the good yard sign ideas!
Posted by nostrikefornurses on June 26, 2010 at 7:59 pm
Posted by Angie on June 26, 2010 at 9:30 pm
Posted by acsofs on June 26, 2010 at 10:47 pm
Posted by MNChildrensNurse on June 27, 2010 at 2:16 am
I would love a sign like that in my yard!!!! Just one that says, I will work June 6th…MN nurses that really do care!!!
Posted by Not A Union Fan RN on June 26, 2010 at 7:26 pm
I’m a Replacement RN and a long time travel nurse. I’m glad I found this website. It is refreshing to read how so many people behind the scene do NOT support the union and its radical agenda. Our voices deserve to be heard…..all of us. I hope that as the strike gets closer that more and more of you will find the strength to cross the picket line and do the right thing……even resign from the MNA. They are using their members to further the national union agenda AKA NNU. I will be happy to meet you all and hope that it will be a pleasant time with the non union ancillary staff.
I have a question if anyone could be so kind to answer please…..are the Case Managers at the MN hospitals going out on strike? Thanks.
Posted by RelocatedRN on June 26, 2010 at 7:29 pm
I have a question….When being a replacement….have you had any encounters with the striking nurses and so on? I am working on signing up to be a replacement and just looking for information. I did look into companies and have not heard many good things about Healthsource. Do you know if FAStaff/US nursing is a good company to go with? Thanks for any help.
Posted by Replacement nurse who cares on June 26, 2010 at 7:35 pm
I work for Healthsource and am continuing with them although my first experience was horrible due to their disorganization because I now know who to call within the company to get help when I need it.
I have no feedback on fastaff but a friend did travel through OR NURSES (www.ornursesinc.com) and she loved them. They are supplementing staff for this strike for some bigger agency. Check with them.
Posted by Steaming on June 26, 2010 at 7:44 pm
Go to Nurse Finders. They are local and we have an established relationship with them. They supplied many Nurses for June 10th. Even stayed on sight with the staff to get the orientation started.
Posted by RelocatedRN on June 26, 2010 at 7:46 pm
Thanks. I will definately be following up with them on Monday….They want me in for an interview so it should be all good. I have done everything for them online so far!
Posted by Steaming on June 26, 2010 at 7:49 pm
Come to Abbott. we have a beautiful Hospital.
Posted by RelocatedRN on June 26, 2010 at 7:50 pm
I am hoping to get sent anywhere except North….if everything goes good and everything is settled…I have a job offer at North…They just can’t give it to me now since management put a freeze on hiring people back in May after the 1st strike vote…
Posted by nostrikefornurses on June 26, 2010 at 7:55 pm
If you want to care for Children we would welcome you there as well!
Posted by RelocatedRN on June 26, 2010 at 7:57 pm
If I have Peds experience, I would do it in a heartbeat….but I mainly just have Neuro med/surg with remote tele and psych experience.
Posted by Steaming on June 26, 2010 at 8:42 pm
North is an amazing Hospital. You will have a beautiful career there if they remain open after the strike. Starting this process they are probably the most financially unsafe. I would be so sad if they closed. I worked many years of my career at North and I love North as well as Abbott. Come to Abbott…request it.
Posted by RelocatedRN on June 26, 2010 at 9:43 pm
I will try to request it. I am hoping that all of this will get settled and there wont be a strike. But it seems like both sides are set in their ways. When I do get hired at a hospital, I am thinking I may resign from the union at the very beginning. This does not seem like what people signed up for when they became nurses!
Posted by Not A Union Fan RN on June 26, 2010 at 10:30 pm
Have I? Depends on if you mean face to face inside the hospital or outside of the hospital? The answer is yes to both.
It is VERY unusual to have to get report or hand off report to the union nurses going out on strike or returning from striking…. but it happens every once in awhile. I know the RN’s that had to hand off report to the returning strike nurses at Temple were NOT happy about having to do so but Mgmt stood next to the them during report and the union nurses had to behave themselves.
I also rcvd report from nurses in CA that were recently striking and they were fine. But it was a small hospital and the union “love” wasn’t very strong. So no problems. The staff that did cross and also the Unit Clerks and the Nurse Aides were pretty much anti union and very anti strike. It was great. Everyone including the manager were fantastic to all of us.
Now…on the down side….I have seen firsthand how nasty unions are. Ive seen them stand in hundreds screaming through bull horns at us getting on and off the bus…..which is the norm for unions. Although Ive seen them call out nurses names who were crossing and reminding them that they had signed a union card….blah blah blah. It’s called INTIMIDATION. They also yelled at one RN (of their own) that crossed calling her “Fat” into the bullhorn. It was so mean. The patients all complained inside the hospital that they were having trouble resting and sleeping b/c of the obnoxious and militant union nurses marching outside the patients rooms yelling through their bullhorns.
At Temple….the oh so distinguished Temple RN’s had the nerve to stand outside holding “We Deserve Respect!” signs while they held up their middle fingers at us screaming “F*** YOU SCABS!”…..real classy huh? But did that get into the local news? Of course not. Keep in mind that while they were acting like this..they had their small children in tow…lovely examples of nurturing parenting huh?
They come to your hotel….taking pictures and videos of us getting on and off the buses…..they yelled into the lobby and harassed nurses on the elevator. They even were feeling like committing crimes by falsely pulling fire alarms (more than once) in the middle of the night to keep all the replacement staff from being able to sleep….which is so in the best interest of the patients that they are striking for…..right?
The housekeepers stole things from our rooms…..they are union. The bartenders/wait staff at the hotel restaurant and the hotel desk staff snitched on us to the union and local newspaper…b/c they are all union.
I have worked strikes where the phones would ring in the offices, clinic rooms, nurse med rooms etc and when we would answer…they would yell death threats into the phone and say “DIE SCABS!” and “How do you sleep at night SCAB?”…..not caring that it was delaying patient care or that they were trying to distract us from our work.
These are the stories that you NEVER hear anyone in the media or union discuss……they display despicable behavior but nothing happens to them….b/c the police are union, the firefighters are union…..etc we Replacement Nurses come in and give loving care to the patients while the union walks out and abandons them.
I find it especially unethical and immoral of those nurses that strike at Catholic and Christian hospitals…..those that have their mission to help the poor and needy to show God’s love…..but yet those nurses abandon those that the nuns, priests, and others have sworn to take care of in God’s name…..it’s disturbing.
Posted by RelocatedRN on June 26, 2010 at 10:36 pm
Sounds rather harsh and interesting. In reading some of the posts on the MNA facebook page, I begin to wonder if some of those nurses might go that far. I am wondering for myself because I do live in the Twin Cities area so I am just trying to think if I should drive to the hospitals(if the agency will let me) or if they will have me park at a remote location and shuttle me over?
Posted by drichmn on June 26, 2010 at 10:42 pm
You should definitely ask the agency what plans the hospital that you will be going has for that. All the hospitals did beef up security as well.
Posted by NoncontractRN on June 26, 2010 at 10:50 pm
WOW!! I knew it could get ugly but describing it in detail like that is so disturbing and absolutely disgusts me!!! I feel really bad for the nurses that have to go through that.
Posted by Not A Union Fan RN on June 27, 2010 at 12:18 am
Do NOT drive your car to the hospital! The agencies won’t let you for one reason…it is for your safety. At Temple, the local nurses had to drive to our hotel, park, and then board the buses with everyone to go to the hospital. They fully understood the reasoning too and didn’t have an issue with having to do it.
There was a strike in KY and WV that lasted for like 3 months about 3 yrs ago and there was even some sort of incident where the union claimed that one of their cars had been caught on fire by a hospital security guard. I’m sure (if it is true) the union did it on purpose to blame it on the hospital….that is how desperate they were.
Also, I had a bus driver that worked for one of the agencies tell me that at one of those 2 strikes (KY or WV) that a brick was thrown at a window of the bus that was carrying replacement nurses.
That was a very very ugly strike from everything Ive ever heard about it. Keep in mind that KY and WV has a deep rooted coal mining history among other unions.
This actually happened at that strike:
A skeleton sitting in a lawn chair wearing a Santa hat greets cars as they drive into or past the hospital. The sign it holds reads: “My nurse was a scab.”
Below was posted on a KY TV news website in the comment section of a news article discussing the KY strike in 2007:
“WHITE RIBBONS = BS. I refuse to put a white ribbon on my vehicle to keep it from being destroyed. The strikers are going too far by threatening the working class with this. Laying tacks for us is crossing the line. See y’all in court.”
“I think put tacks in employees driveways and writing scab everywhere is not very professional.”
“The KNA local 112 is losing its support in the community because of all the childish acts they’re are doing. From mooning people to defacing public property. That really shows PROFESSIONALISM!”
“My father is a cancer patient and I am a RN in California (graduated in Kentucky). I understand the need for negotiation, strikes, contracts, etc., but the need to yell at my father going in for chemotherapy is one of the most unprofessional acts by a nurse I have ever heard of. The nurses on strike need to act like nurses and human beings. Wouldn’t you want your family to have their chemo without being hasseled? Lay off the patients.”
Sound like nice, caring union members to you? NO…they care about no one but themselves, their dear union, and their bank account.
Posted by drichmn on June 27, 2010 at 12:23 am
I’ve done this to other and will do so here as well, I am editing out the name calling from the last paragraph. Criticism is fine but please no name calling. Thank you.
Posted by drichmn on June 26, 2010 at 10:40 pm
wow. that’s quite a story. I have an even higher appreciation for replacement nurses and what you go through than I did before. I sincerely hope that MN nurses are not going to be as bad as you describe.
I wish only the best for you.
Posted by Not A Union Fan RN on June 27, 2010 at 12:23 am
Thank You very much for recognizing that…..we Replacement Nurses have our side and stories to tell….but no one ever asks us. I’m glad all of you can see more from “the other side”.
Posted by drichmn on June 27, 2010 at 12:26 am
I am again going to edit out the name calling.
Posted by acsofs on June 26, 2010 at 11:26 pm
Highly disturbing. I’m so sad to hear about the abusive treatment you and others have endured.
Thank you describing what has happened, so if I observe any behaviors along these lines, I’ll have the presense of mind to document all.
Posted by drichmn on June 26, 2010 at 11:50 pm
very good idea. We should document any abusive treatment we observe and report it to manager, HR dept. and to security if need be.
Posted by drichmn on June 26, 2010 at 7:38 pm
I believe the Case Managers are non-contract.
Posted by anotherview on June 26, 2010 at 7:55 pm
Case Managers at ANW are MNA
Posted by Angie on June 26, 2010 at 8:00 pm
Our Case Managers at North are non-contract.
Posted by nostrikefornurses on June 26, 2010 at 8:00 pm
I think at Children’s ours are contract but I could be wrong…anyone know for sure?
Posted by integritynurse on June 26, 2010 at 9:30 pm
If you mean our Care Managers at Childrens, (discharge planners) they are union.
Posted by Steaming on June 26, 2010 at 7:47 pm
Do you think local staffing companies will place striking Nurses into other striking hospitals? I have heard plenty signing up for local staffing companies hoping to be placed at another striking hospital. Those are the gross Nurses who can’t show their faces and try to be sneaky and get around the rules. They talk out of one side of their mouths to Union people then go behind their backs and work where no one will know them. They get found out though.
Posted by RelocatedRN on June 26, 2010 at 7:49 pm
Is it because they dont want to show their face or they want the extra money….just going to show that this strike is really about the money!
Posted by nostrikefornurses on June 26, 2010 at 7:51 pm
I hope staffing agencies would not hire nurses off a striking hospital to go to another but I guess if someone needs to work and are afraid to work at their hospital then that is what they must do.
Posted by drichmn on June 26, 2010 at 8:11 pm
I can’t imagine that a striking hospital would want a nurse from another striking hospital. Are they going to lie on their application to the agency about their current employment?
Posted by Steaming on June 26, 2010 at 8:45 pm
I say ,if you have to work while on strike and are not willing to at least back your safety for patients theory and cross to keep your own hospital safe. Then you should work in a non nursing role while serving your time on the picket line. I am losing respect daily and that will only through me over the edge if they cross MNA lines to make nursing wage while on strike.
Posted by integritynurse on June 26, 2010 at 9:38 pm
I work at Childrens, but I have a niece and a really good friend who work at Mercy. I will cross, but they (even though they hate this strike) are deathly afraid to cross at Mercy, because of the huge union mentality at that hospital. My niece is young and has her whole career ahead of her. I actually advised her not to cross, because I don’t actually think she can handle the fallout. Many of us at Childrens will cross and there is strength (and comfort) in numbers. I really feel for her, and like I said before, she is really scared. I was almost tempted to suggest that she work at another hospital as a replacement nurse, but I also feel that that is somewhat hypocritical. It’s a hard call. She carries the benefits for her family as well, so that is also a concern for her. She has not supported the union, but she has also not spoken against it. Like many others, she is just keeping quiet and waiting to see what happens next.
Posted by Leyla on June 26, 2010 at 9:51 pm
Integrity Nurse, I too work at Mercy. There is certainly a difference between the floors as far as union mentality goes. However, those who are pro-union are rather outspoken, and that can be quite intimidating.
If your niece needs someone from her own hospital to talk to she can contact me.
Let me know if she’s interested by posting here, and I’ll find out if the moderators would be willing to arrange contact info.
Posted by integritynurse on June 26, 2010 at 10:01 pm
Thanks Leyla, as of next week I will actually be helping to moderate, so I will try to see if we can arrange for the two of you to talk. Thanks for the support, I really appreciate it. And hang in there. I used to work at Mercy back in 2003. I wasn’t there for very long, but I remember that the nurses I worked with were obsessed with union stuff, always talking about grieving this and grieving that…it was nuts. I shouldn’t stereotype an entire hospital, but she definitely has friends who would disown her at this point if she crossed. It’s a sad situation.
Posted by MNChildrensNurse on June 27, 2010 at 2:37 am
Integrity nurse–I too work at Childrens and would love to meet and or talk by phone. It would be good to have a support system of people to talk to throughout the countdown. drichmn has my contact info if you want to get in touch at all!!!
Posted by Angie on June 26, 2010 at 9:32 pm
For Z…or anyone who would like to comment!
Don’t you think the hospitals will try and push for an NLRB ruling while RN”s are on strike?
Posted by drichmn on June 26, 2010 at 10:06 pm
They can’t push for a ruling. A couple of weeks ago all of the rulings for the last 5 years were tossed out by the Supreme Court saying that they didn’t have enough members to issue rulings. The Republicans are blocking all of Obama’s appointments to the NLRB. The NLRB has essentially been rendered useless. It’ll be years before issue rulings. And who knows when they’ll get to MNA when they’ve got 5 years worth of previous rulings to deal with.
Posted by Angie on June 26, 2010 at 11:25 pm
I see. Then how does it get decided if it is economic vs unfair labor practice strike?
Posted by drichmn on June 26, 2010 at 11:43 pm
I just read that Obama made recess appointments so they now have 4 out of 5 members, they just had 2 of 5 when they made those rulings that were thrown out. So maybe it’s not as bad as I first thought. Guess we’ll all have to wait and see.
Posted by drichmn on June 26, 2010 at 11:45 pm
600 cases were affected by the ruling. Don’t know if they will have to re-hear them or not.
Posted by MNChildrensNurse on June 27, 2010 at 2:39 am
Of course, the MNA is not sharing this tidbit of information with people when they talk about the ULP’s they have filed. This is so scary for the nurses who are buying into all of this.
Posted by zzzzzzx6 on June 26, 2010 at 11:20 pm
I think the hospitals will ask for an expedited ruling. But, like drichmn, I don’t think they’ll be successful.
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